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The Anatomy of an LR

Let me give you a peek into the workings of an LR (Source: @IGXXwSC-1gdx ).

  1. About a 3 months in advance you start to see the warning signs. Backfills don't get approved, OpEx gets slashed, budget pressure ramps up. Some examples of budget pressure ramping up, travel freezes, capital requests at or below previous levels are asked to be pushed out to next quarter. This is them starting to see what their minimal OpEx level is to establish a baseline.

  2. About 2-3 months in advance, someone usually at the director level, sometimes at the manager level sometimes at the VP level, gets asked to start preparing data, this could be as obvious as a ranking of all employees against a specific set of criteria. or as subtle as put together a list of what everyone is working on and their role.

  3. About 1 month in advance this list is set. That list then goes through scrutiny by the lawyers, HR, etc. to make sure that it is legally defensible. Have we disproportionately targeted any individuals in protected categories in groups that are not being entirely eliminated. For example if you have a team of 10, 2 people being laid off and you target two GL 10s in a protected category leaving 4 GL10s not in a protected category and 2 GL 8s not in a protected category, expect HR to tell you to change the list. This is analyzed at various levels,

  4. Two weeks before the layoff, the lists are finalized and all of the data needed starts to get generated, they start preparing the packets (electronically), start training HR, preparing the manager materials etc.

  5. One week to a few days before they give the manager training. Here's what you can say, here's what you can't say. Read from your script. Don't deviate, don't engage in any discussion.

  6. One to two days managers are told to schedule time with those employees impacted especially if they are remote, or frequently don't work in the office. Managers are also given access to the packets for those impacted employees to review them.

This year if the timelines being bandied about are correct there may be some changes to the last few steps. We are expecting them to tell Wall Street in the Earnings Meeting and do layoffs the next day.

So the reason it is too late is the list is already set. You are on it or you are not. Changing it at this date would be very difficult. About the only shot would be if they already have a problem they have to fix because the lawyers have chimed in saying you may be in a bad position and need to change a person on the list.

I fully expect to get hit this time. Having had to be on the other side of this more times than I care to remember, I'm actually looking forward to it in some ways. I'm not looking forward to looking for a new job on the wrong side of 40, but I am hoping I'll find something where I never again have to sit across the desk from someone, who just had a baby, bought a new house, or had health problems in their family in the past year, and tell them that due to "business decisions, Cisco has decided to eliminate a number of positions in the company, that your position is one of those impacted and that effective immediately your job duties are ended. Here is your packet of information, and you have 2 weeks to find another position within Cisco. If you have any questions about this you can contact this HR person."

The worst part for me is that I've almost (but not quite) become immune to it. The first few times I had to do it, I literally sat in my office and cried afterward. The last time, I just went on to my next meeting with a pit in my stomach.

So I'll wish you all the best of luck. Whether that means you get lucky and are impacted or get lucky and are not, is a subjective decision only you can make.

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Post ID: @OP+IH92Kze

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Finding internal job is big BS. Waste time, there are no real internal jobs in Cisco
Last 3-4 month have been demoralizing and demeaning with rejections from coming from Hajamat Managers through the recruiters who onboarded from their network, friend, relative or a pre-identified red badge.

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Post ID: @LDqyc+IH92Kze

A repost from last year... but all the signs are in play for the LR after the end of Q2

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Post ID: @2xqas+IH92Kze

I was the first person my manager ever LR'd (Feb 2016). He looked and sounded like he wanted to die. We were thousands of miles apart (different continents) so that made it kind of strange, but video made it a little more personal. I ended up consoling him, to me it was a relief. He was blown away at my reaction, guess he was prepared for the worst. Heard from my teammates how appreciative he was at my handling of it. Makes no sense to get angry, life goes on and self pity and anger do no good.

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Post ID: @6rzt+IH92Kze

Very thoughtful and well-written post. Thank you.

I used to be so proud to work for Cisco and now I feel like I'm working for a company that's past its prime. Feels like we are constantly changing our message and our direction -- like we are lost, a boat adrift at sea. Layoffs are becoming the annual sacrificial offering to the shareholders to soften the blow for results that miss that mark.

To the person with health issues, PLEASE put those first. There's never a good time at Cisco to do anything - PTO, sickness, etc., but you can't delay taking care of health issues. I've seen so many people give up everything for the company (family time, nights, weekends, etc.) and be on call for Cisco 24/7 only to be let go without a rhyme or reason and without much notice or a trace of remorse. Very capable, talented people with great track records have been ushered out, so if this happens to you, don't take it personally or see it as a reflection on the value of your work.

I updated my resume and am actively looking for a new job elsewhere and I'm sure I'll land somewhere and wonder why I didn't do it sooner.

Thanks again for the great post. One of the best I've read on here.

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Post ID: @1tou+IH92Kze

To be clear, being in a protected category does not guarantee anything in terms of safety. It just means that there is additional scrutiny applied to make sure the numbers aren't a problem. I've only had one person ever be on a list pulled off and it was because the overall organization was skewing too high on the over 40 category.

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Post ID: @1ppc+IH92Kze

Was LR'd in 2015. Also white woman after 40 - proving no exceptions to the choice on the list. I am glad I was let go, as I still remember trauma going through a fear every year of being penciled down to the list. Now even though I am not too long with a new company, I already like the piece of mind. And I absolutely love the new environment. Had I known the grass is actually greener on the other side, I would have been gone gone gone long ago.

For those on the list - trust me. Being LR'd might actually turn out to be a blessing.

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Post ID: @1azp+IH92Kze

OP, great post, thanks for sharing.

LRed in Q3 2014. So happy to be out of that environment... but sad to see a once great company and place to work in freefall.

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Post ID: @1uez+IH92Kze

I'm a white woman over 40 who was laid off. There were several others along with me. We are not a protected class. It depends upon the demographic make-up of your specific group.

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Post ID: @1cxv+IH92Kze

Protected Category/Protected Class:

The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a history of unfavorable treatment of women and minority group members.

So basically if you are under 40, white and male nobody will bat an eye if you are on the list. Generally what I've seen in Cisco is that the things that get the most scrutiny are over 40 and female. Cisco's diversity when it comes to African American or Hispanic, is actually so low that it doesn't even register thus actually providing no protection. Asian and Indian concentrations are so high that they tend to not be an issue either.

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Post ID: @1nkn+IH92Kze

"What is a "protected category"?". Everyone except white heterosexual males with no physical disability.

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Post ID: @1hcs+IH92Kze

What is a "protected category"?

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Post ID: @1mzj+IH92Kze

Such a great post @IH92Kze - you nailed it and it was well written and thoughtful. Please keep posting....

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Post ID: @auv+IH92Kze

@was - sorry to hear that man. It s---s. The company has no soul any more, nobody cares...

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Post ID: @aip+IH92Kze

I feel like you wrote my own story... except I have been working so hard and deferred dealing with my health situation. I know I am not well and keep pushing it out, hoping that my multi year program has just come to an end and have some valley time before the next project starts to deal with my health issue. Well, someone else has taken the so-called next project, and my manager distance himself from me (even if he is typically the most friendly person...)

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Post ID: @was+IH92Kze

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