Why would the company lock the union out at the end of the month if they're already on strike? And why are people on here saying the end of the month? Why wait?
Don't get me wrong, I'm cool w collecting unemployment, I just don't understand what people are talking about. Probs they don't either. Lol.
Ixpu is just one of lowell's pet trolls, that seems to know less about what is going on in the company than lowell, who likes to make an a$$ of himself and negotitators.
Ixpu - you're post has nothing to do with this thread, but thanks for you're useless input and wasting everyone's time who had to read it. DB!!
By going on strike, the Union has played it's very weak hand. Verizon is taking the long view and it must get costs in line with the business unit revenue.
And for all the belly-aching about Lowell's $18M compensation, that's about $1.40 per day per striking union worker in a given year. Even if he were paid nothing, the company would still need to reduce the costs and increase the flexibility of the workforce to compete.
And no, the wireless side should not be reducing it's profits to prop up dead end jobs. Only children expect mommy and daddy to give them whatever they want because they scream loud enough.
Is it technically a lockout if VZ just says no to letting union work under former contract? And, assuming union would not return under that condition.
It's the 20th. Part of the confusion is that it originally started as "the middle of the month" before it was decided to match a pay period end date. Then it became the 6th but that got nixed by Legal. So voila, here we sit at the 20th, for now anyway. The one certainty in all this is that nothing is certain. :)
So basically no one here has a clue. You all keep spitting dates with nothing to back it up. You all must be bored as fuk if you have nothing better to do than waste everyone's time.
the lockout is illegal
May 20. They can't do it before the 17th legally.
Today I heard there will be no lockout, it was against the NLRB
Yesterday I heard it was the middle of May, but today I heard it will either be May 6 or May 20. Something about wanting to match the pay periods or some such.
The lockout should be around the middle of May from what I'm hearing.
Why would the services of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service be bad for the Union to accept?
Under what circumstances would the Union "approach" FMCS?
There will be no lockout.
Verizon's intent on depleting the union funds as well as workers' personal ones. A lockout would mean an immediate access to unemployment benefits for the strikers, instead of a 9-week waiting period that a strike calls for.
The company has the resources to play the waiting game, and couldn't care less about its customer base either. While they're not a bank, they're definitely TBTF.
The end game? Slash the benefits as much as possible and then sell the wireline portion of the business to Frontier.
The means to an end? Nine weeks is a long period of time for any family to be without a paycheck, with no healthcare/prescription coverage and no unemployment benefits either. My best guess is that the company believes that it will be much easier for them to get the union to agree to givebacks on really important issues, the movement of workforce likely being the crucial one.
Healthcare costs are going to go up significantly, and if this were the only point of contention there would've been no strike in the first place. Retirement benefits can be agreed upon for the most part, with minimal level of flexibility shown on both sides.
But the movement of work...think about it: you can outsource call center jobs. That's a no-brainer. You, however, can not move jobs of the field personnel - who also happen to be the people making the most money - overseas.
What you can do is move them around - 80 miles on permanent basis and all over the VZ East footprint on temporary basis - so people leave on their own, unable to uproot their families and play the game in which the goalposts are constantly moving.
And no, this is not about addressing the emergencies, natural disasters and so forth. Verizon had no problem taking care of both Katrina and Sandy with workforce mobilized from multiple states. There are contract provisions in place for such events, and have been for decades.
Short of a major natural disaster or something along those lines, the strikers are in for a long haul. Much longer than 2000/2011, likely something along the lines of 1989, but in a vastly different set of circumstances.
Izop, why can't they do it sooner?
The lock out will happen the second week in May. Can't do it sooner than that.
The strike in NY, PA, NJ might last longer than Mid-Atlantic area because there is no unemployment in VA and MD.
There will be no lockout.
The Obama Administration would intervene before 39,000 are added onto the Unemployment lines taxing the states and increasing the National Unemployment rate.
In New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo would step in like he did in 2011.
The end of the month is when benefits run out for most. Then the lockout starts, then two weeks later fresh blood can supposedly come into the company to work the jobs that the EWA personnel are currently working.
Everyone has to go by the rules here which is likely why they are waiting.
The reason they lock them out is to keep them from coming back to work. Then after a couple of weeks they can legally replace the strikers with temporary employees, contract workers and new hires.
This is probably the opportunity the company has been waiting for. They have EWA people in place, and in less than a month they will be able to replace the union people who are making $60k a year answering phones. Sounds like a big win for V.
Actually, the non-EWA people are getting overtime retroactive to the day the strike started. The company is likely preparing for the transition of new temp and contract employees to come into the business over the next few months while they slowly move the EWAers back into their old role.
Verizon should not let them back until they sign a contract.
EWAers are asked for stay longer, most likely 4 months, on their current position until the permanent replacements come. Those non EWAers are beginning to do overtime from this Monday. Not sure Verizon is going to lock out or not. But they might be ready for a pretty long strike.
Verizon will not lock them out. They are too smart for that. But they won't agree to let them back unless the union bosses commit to not calling a strike again for a period of time, 30 or 45 days or so. Why let them work for three days, get benefits for the month of May, only to have them strike again?