Thread regarding SAP layoffs

All, it would be helpful to keep this on-topic, for the benefit of others besides the OP. Centrally, challenges with Mgt on the RTO. My take on this.... take a long view, say 18 months. Yes, we are in 3 days per week right now. If you need more flexibility, start your internal job search, ( they are there), it will take time though. In time, you will find a team/mgr with a more helpful outlook. All things in perspective, you have a job + family + resources + time. You are in a good position, use this well, and you will see progress my friend.

@2tqn+1vn4vDnS

Gets impacted by the layoffs, still kisses CEO a-s on RTOs.

Is retired, but loiters around SAP forums.

Is upset about being unemployed, but happy to be retired and is working on his "golf swing".

You don't sound like anyone who works at SAP. Maybe an Oracle bot troll, or Klaus Hergersheimer?

@1slp+1vn4vDnS This guy is getting triggered over a genuine piece of advice for the younger folks who are doing it tough with all these layoffs and poor housing and cost of living issues. Clearly when they want to save money commuting when their salaries are so far behind, with many ghost jobs designed to steal and sell your employment data, and market pay that hasn't kept up with inflation - why the older folks get triggered is weird and why is it any of their business if a Gen Zer or Millennial wants a fully remote job (inside or outside of SAP).

If I was offered a casual delivery, factory cleaning or construction job for $50+ an hour I would take it for 7 months and until I find a job that matches back to my qualifications or experience, obviously I wouldn't list it on my Resume and would continue looking for remote opportunities first. You may have to work at Amazon for 3-6 months, do the RTOs, and then move onto something better.

Your number one mission (as a young person) is to keep the cash flow coming in through recessions, wars and depressions at all costs. And at the same time, decoupling from your employer by replacing your 9-5 income as they are trying to do the same thing to you (with things like AI/offshoring to India/RTO attrition/etc.) as well.

@2tqn+1vn4vDnS With the way you talk, I am glad SAP eliminated you. Forever.

If you were running a location would you close the office and just allow all to work from home? What would the shelf life be for that location in mid to high cost v low cost with people 3 to 5 days in the office?

There is not one valid reason besides do it because you're paid to, that justifies RTOs.

Stop feeding the commercial real estate trolls, receptionists, Mecca's employees and cleaners here whose job depends on us to pointlessly go into the office.

@1zmq+1vn4vDnS "Out of work for 7 months". Plenty of jobs in construction and other places that don't require sitting in an air conditioned office 5 days a week, that 7 months of pay down the drain waiting for the "right next opportunity".

Some people are afraid to get their hands dirty for money.

And Amazon is hiring!

Ge-z. I know. Su-ks having a job and actually complying with company or organizational requirements. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones… full time at home. Well… because I’ve been out of work for 7 months. But hey, who am I to complain?

Yeah, just come in the office and stop being an d*ck yourself
It's because of people like you that they will start a full 5 day RTO in 2025

To the OP,
I went through something similar. Dealing with it as follows. Do exactly what is required. Then taper down very gradually. On a totally different topic, when asked to "go above and beyond" ( as we all have been doing for years).....yeah, that's no longer on the menu I'm afraid.

Global warming is only true if money is being made from sustainability solutions. SAP is not making money from the sustainability suite, so back to the office and use lots of heat,AC, and paper plates!!!

What about's SAP's zero footprint and carbon zero goals? They want us all to pollute driving back to US offices and using our paper cups and plates and creating ton's of CO2 from office AC. Why doesn't this seem right? Are we being gaslit? I thought the world was going to end due to global warming?!?????

A lot of managers at SAP thrive by adhering to company trends. I know a lot of managers who don't do sh-t all day but have had thriving careers at SAP because they conform to all of the trends and talking points.

Your manager is likely afraid of the next round of layoffs and is being as company-friendly as possible in order to reduce his chances of being laid off. If SAP really wanted to save money they could lay off most managers and the company would operate better. Your manager is probably a worthless middleman.

My advice? Get out of SAP. They don't know it yet but harder times are coming. They've upset and angered too many people. They have uprooted too many lives.

RTO mandates are a tool to performance manage people out, to drive up attrition without paying out redundancy and severance. If employment laws allowed those who resigned to be paid out every employer would switch their tone on RTO mandates.

Also, we don't need more offices, we need more affordable apartments and houses.