Most of them were working hard from home, same like those of you who were at the time in offices or on the ground. Now they have really bad working conditions. And we all know they have been disproportionately targeted for layoffs. For some, WFH was the only way they could work and earn money, due to living in remote places, disabilities and other reasons. We do have adversaries, and in the grand scheme of things it’s not each other.
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“I’m already interviewing externally so won’t be long for me.”
Unless you have applied with Walmart, you aren’t my going anywhere and T leadership already knows this.
LOL! Awwww! Thanks for the explanation Sherlock! “Job requirements?????” What are they as a lot of the positions with these “job requirements” can be done from anywhere on the globe.
“Regardless of the scenario that may have once applied, job requirements for most positions have changed. Embrace current job requirements or seek employment elsewhere.”
The talent will and is heading for the exit. Only folks that will stay are those with no other options, those waiting for a package, those that only want to work a “couple” more years then retire, and boot lickers trying to climb the ladder. Everyone else will say c-ya T. I’m already interviewing externally so won’t be long for me.
This summed it up well by the OP. Yep, we were fine with the 3/2 hybrid model. As for the LAN tracking: this seems to be a desperation on their layoff tactic. There’s a tracker link that shows if you’re “internal” at your assigned workplace or “external” VPN WFH and I think it says on the website that it refreshes every few hours or someshiet like that. Not to mention there’s another dashboard that supervisors need to check on to pull a report in case you’re on the ‘naughty’ list! Totally d-mb and a waste of time and resources.
“Here’s the truth -
Everyone I know was mostly fine with 3 days RTO. There were annoying logistical challenges but critical meetings with partners could be scheduled on home days. It was doable. Check the box for collaboration.
What people, and I mean EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW, is livid about is 5 days, no ASSIGNED personal space to be every day and LAN tracking.
You’ve got to be a boot licking yes man to even be slightly ok with any of this. So your annoying outrage over the outrage really says the most about you.”
"They also keep mixing very different things into one pot. There are three types of people affected by RTO."
Let's also not forget that they are mixing RTO with Follow the Work. I was hired for my job in a hub location (Atlanta) and have done my job here for almost 20 years with my bosses over the years being in different locations (NJ, Wa State, Cali). There was never a need to be in Dallas to do my job until Stank and the crew decided they needed to cut heads because he cannot grow revenue.
As well, I really don't mind returning to office but give me a space that is reasonable. They are going to stack us in by using 3x5 tables. A building and related parking lot that was originally built for 400 people will not have to accommodate 500+. We live with AT&T for 40% of our wake time during the week. Don't make it a he-l hole to work. The only people being unreasonable are the leaders of the company.
"Why not find a job that allows the flexibility"
Why do you even come to a web site whose entire existence is to give people a place to inform and vent about the stupidity of the employer they work for? Instead of giving advice about how someone should live their life, why don't you just pi-s off since you seem to get perturbed by people sharing the stupidity of the actions the company has taken to turn an enjoyable work environment into a culture of distrust and loathing. Great job by our CEO!
Regardless of the scenario that may have once applied, job requirements for most positions have changed. Embrace current job requirements or seek employment elsewhere.
Fu-k your RTO. Don't comply and they can just fire everybody. The id--ts lay people off and have to rehire them because they can't manage the business.
Folks these are professional trolls deployed to defuse the swell of RTO anger...
They also keep mixing very different things into one pot. There are three types of people affected by RTO.
- Office workers, who were sent home during the pandemic, obviously liked it, and do not want to go back to those old 5 days in the office days.
- People who were always remote, or for a very long time, but live close enough to hubs, so they're now asked to start, not come back, but start, going to the office, which they never had to do in the past, it's a bit more of an adjustment.
- People that do not live near hubs, who worked remotely, and some even worked in their local offices, but now they're being told they must MOVE to a hub, on their own dine. This is beyond an "inconvenience" of going "back" to the office.
Three scenarios, very different levels of commitment needed. It can be argued that the 1st group ruined it for the rest, no offense guys, but it can be the reason. After the pandemic, the company was asking nicely, for people to return to office, and there was a huge pushback against it, to the point the company said "the heck with this, EVERYONE MUST GO IN, NO EXCEPTIONS!". I will admit, it's not fair to anyone, if groups 2 and 3 were to be allowed to WFH, then Group 1 is being "discriminated" against, on the other hand, this one size fits all approach, actually forced many people out of groups 2 and 3 out of the company entirely. I don't know if there was a better way to handle it, but we all know which option the company picked.
Bonus: 4th type of employee. Someone who is NOT in the hub, preaches RTO, but is allowed to continue to WFH or a non-hub location themselves. Think... Legg, for example. But this is the whole other topic, maybe best saved for another day.
Translation: You have no other options. T leadership knows this.
No, it is not, the "translation". Everyone has options, and anyone who says "you don't", is simply projecting their insecurities on others. Don't be that guy.
The point is, yes there are options, but after you spend such a long time building your career at one place, it's not an easy choice to just throw it out and start fresh, if you can get through some likely temporary inconveniences. This is why people voice their concerns, and try to find either solutions or support, if this is not something they can solve in the meantime. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
Folks these are professional trolls deployed to defuse the swell of RTO anger that is going to sink companies in 2025. They are on contract from T, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta and all the other Blackrock shell companies. No one is in favor of RTO. No one. There is no rational argument in favor of it, only people paid to manufacture consensus on social media.
My son, 38, was hired in pharma 4 years ago. He has been in the office once. He just received an exceeds expectations and likely a promotion. Not all are boomers or lazy so shut it.
“Believe it or not, but 10 years 20... 30, of our lives at one company is a major investment, and sure, everyone can just walk away, but for many, it's not an easy decision to make.”
Translation: You have no other options. T leadership knows this.
Asking your employees to come to work doesn’t seem a lot to ask. For all of my life showing up is the bare minimum.
Shows you the times we live in. Man we’ve gotten so soft.
Why not find a job that allows the flexibility your fragile mental health requires? Really, why stay if you are so unhappy?
Believe it or not, but 10 years 20... 30, of our lives at one company is a major investment, and sure, everyone can just walk away, but for many, it's not an easy decision to make. Sometimes it's better to try to weather the storm, rather than just run and try your luck elsewhere.
- " But they won’t get another me"
I bet you say that to all your ex's. Maybe you're the problem, sweaty.
"Thank goodness I have a childish view on such a wasteful life experience as living in an office away from my family 80 pct. of the week"
Why not find a job that allows the flexibility your fragile mental health requires? Really, why stay if you are so unhappy? Your "repulsive" coworkers would probably be happier if you did manage to scrape up employment elsewhere.
Here’s the truth -
Everyone I know was mostly fine with 3 days RTO. There were annoying logistical challenges but critical meetings with partners could be scheduled on home days. It was doable. Check the box for collaboration.
What people, and I mean EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW, is livid about is 5 days, no ASSIGNED personal space to be every day and LAN tracking.
You’ve got to be a boot licking yes man to even be slightly ok with any of this. So your annoying outrage over the outrage really says the most about you.
“Almost everyone has been instructed to RTO. The majority did so without the childish whining seen on this board. No one is hating on you, because we too were forced to return, but we are stunned and fascinated by the immaturity shown by these select few.”
I’m one of the immature, childish, select few that is whining on this board about RTO.
Except it’s pretty much the majority of us hating RTO. I’m sorry that you don’t have a loving wife and children in your home to make it glow with warmth and caring. Just because you’re cold and hardened from the absence of a nurturing home life, doesn’t mean all of us should enjoy driving into the office in hopes of finding a human connection. Frankly put, most of the people in the office are repulsive. If I wouldn’t hang out with them in a bar, why would I enjoy “coSLOBberrating” with them 5 days a week?
Thank goodness I have a childish view on such a wasteful life experience as living in an office away from my family 80 pct. of the week.
"The only people hating on those being forced to RTO and/or move are people on this board and out of touch boomers."
Almost everyone has been instructed to RTO. The majority did so without the childish whining seen on this board. No one is hating on you, because we too were forced to return, but we are stunned and fascinated by the immaturity shown by these select few.
“The virtuals should be treated as second class citizens. At least 30% pay reduction, and no bonus. They don't like it, leave.“
It’s going to be so funny when you get laid despite RTO compliance
The virtuals should be treated as second class citizens. At least 30% pay reduction, and no bonus. They don't like it, leave.
The only people hating on those being forced to RTO and/or move are people on this board and out of touch boomers.
No one I’ve talked to who actually matters and has relevant skills at the company backs or actually believes in the policy.
I wouldn’t sweat it, once the job market improves WFH will return and companies will roll back a lot of these policies or just stop enforcing them. What the boomers think and feel doesn’t matter, they won’t be around much longer anyways.
Don’t fret, ignore the noise.
18 years remote and extremely successful. This is T’s loss, not mine. I can and did get another job. But they won’t get another me.
Even an Nvidia SWE praised his company for not enforcing RTO as it continues to absolutely dominate the AI/ML and chip space. Amazing what happens when you trust your talent and let them thrive in the working conditions that best suit them.
RTO ungrateful leeches make me sick. I respect all the laid-off employees who still wanted to be with T. I wish you could have replaced these ungrateful leeches.
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I have worked remote for over 20 years. Your comment is insulting to those of us who work hard. If we hadn't in all these past years we'd be gone by now.
RTO is becoming an industry standard for a reason, Companies can no longer afford inconsistent productivity of remote employees.