West is still working getting paid. D3 should’ve done the same. Negotiated while working. Last report is identical to the first one. There has been no progress made for 31 days.
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Hey @ocp+1uw4LGjP. great insights, but I was actually talking about @kln+1uw4LGjP who showed up with the citations and receipts.
Damn. Somebody doing work. LOL
Most of the CWA bargaining reports read like a child's temper tantrum, complete with slurs, name calling, lots of bravado, and repeated cries of the company being "unfair."
On the flip side, the company almost never publishes anything official until an agreement is reached. It's usually radio silence until then. In fact, this is the first year I recall where they supplied some details regarding their offer on the company bargaining website. Very unusual.
Damn. Somebody doing work. LOL
"the company removed the lead lawyer negotiator who said it and there were many people in the room who were witnesses to it being said. It’s on a bargaining report if you would like to read what was said in quotations and it was documented at the time."
- The first mention of the term 'second class' was in Bargaining Report 44. It was not in quotation marks, nor was it attributed to any particular negotiator, or a lawyer as you posit.
- When they "started mediation, the company wanted to utilize an attorney as their chief negotiator." ..." At our request, the company agreed to remove the attorney from the position as their chief negotiator." Both these are from Bargaining Report 50, a week after the alleged comment. If it was so offensive, CWA should have probably requested the replacement for that reason, and at the time, not a week later, for a completely different reason. Also, even BR50 makes it sound like perhaps the guy they wanted to use as the chief negotiator was a new addition to the team and perhaps had not been a part of the pre-mediation team "as [union] need to have discussions with someone who has a working knowledge of the issues our members face on a daily basis in the workplace."
- "Second-class employees" did not appear in quotations until Bargaining Report 51, again more than a week after the alleged comment, and that's not exactly a complete or direct quote of the original comment. "Bargaining" also appears (a lot) in that and other bargaining reports, and is not, nor should be, interpreted as a direct quotation of anything but as air quotes which are used to convey sarcasm and satire about what is being "quoted."
Please provide the actual quoted material you mention and also the update wherein the lawyer who was dismissed as chief negotiator was the person who made the alleged comment.
"the company removed the lead lawyer negotiator who said it "
The company removed the lead lawyer because the union balked that they didn't feel comfortable with him being lead negotiator since the union didn't 'need lawyers' representing them, and the wasn't familiar with the company, contract, and language. That was directly in the bargaining reports--not the reason you said.
And putting something in quotations and putting it in the bargaining report is not proof. You'd be amazed how many people misquote or make their interpretations into quotations, sometimes even when there is video or audio evidence. Have you ever heard people consistently and incorrected quote movie lines?
“ Speaking of proof. Short of an audio or video recording, there is no proof this was actually said. For all we know, the people in the room inferred/interpreted what was said.”
Uniformed again, the company removed the lead lawyer negotiator who said it and there were many people in the room who were witnesses to it being said. It’s on a bargaining report if you would like to read what was said in quotations and it was documented at the time.
“ Most techs couldn’t do my job after a 3 year crash course.”
Nor would we want to, we prefer job security. What layoff wave are you slotted for and have you moved yet to live your destination? Stankey values you and if you don’t think so he said you can “quit”.
when it was said at the bargaining table to the union representatives.
Speaking of proof. Short of an audio or video recording, there is no proof this was actually said. For all we know, the people in the room inferred/interpreted what was said.
“Many techs tampered with the vehicles to sc--w with management. They found a vehicle where the ladder rack was unscrewed to make it fall when driven. Shady child behavior.”
Proof, throwing public slanderous and libel accusations around aren’t we? It shows how inexperienced you are because you’ve never had to deal with the garage or maintenance issues before. If you would have done a morning vehicle inspection like you are supposed to do everyday then, you would have caught the issue. Then put a ticket into the garage for maintenance and use another vehicle, Felicia. You should be more concerned about following safety practices in the field, where the real danger lies.
“Many techs tampered with the vehicles to sc--w with management. They found a vehicle where the ladder rack was unscrewed to make it fall when driven. Shady child behavior.”
Not shady,,,Dangerous. Something like that could ki-l someone. Shameful
Fun fact -not all CP’s are exempt. Some are non-exempt and enjoying their overtime pay….
Most techs couldn’t do my job after a 3 year crash course.
“Why is such a personal insult?”
This isn’t the military and AT&T or telecommunications has never used the term “second class” or any class to differentiate between positions. My great grandmother was called second class before women could vote and minorities have been called second class in the past so you figure it out. When one group is singled out as second class, it implies they are less than.
AT&T has always used titles or levels and either referred to certain jobs as entry, mid, senior, principal, etc... Shouldn’t have to explain this to anyone in the 21st century and they knew what they were doing when it was said at the bargaining table to the union representatives.
Can tell the CP team is getting desperate, just starting to experience a small piece of what we do everyday all year long. Good thing they are scrubbing tickets for you and you can return or complete those jobs at will, we can’t. Sales are upset that you aren’t doing all the installs, it’s affecting their pay dramatically. Eventually we will be back, until then do what you can, Stankey is counting on you!
"Are the company negotiators still calling Wire Techs, second class?"
Why is such a personal insult?
The military, public safety, and lots of other organizations use "classes" to differentiate jobs of different skill levels.
None of you have ever heard of "Airman, Patrolman, or Firefighter First Class" or "Firefighter Second Class"? In any of the cases, nobody is referring to how hard someone works... To move up a step, you skill up and gain experience.
"The Southeast Central Offices are a disgrace!"
Not an exaggeration... I drive back to my hotel to use the bathroom.
Honestly, I feel for the folks who normally work there. It's no fault of theirs the places are so dirty and poorly maintained.
I was able to do your job after a 3 day crash course where it took you weeks of training. With each passing day I can do your job faster and faster. On average the cp team is 20 years older than the techs, but the weather is cooling off so this will continue to get easier. I don’t want to do your job, but I can make it until you wise up and come back to work. The public opinion is not on your side. Most customers I have interaction with don’t even know you are on strike. I have seen customers approach union members with hostility because of service issues. They are thrilled when an old dog manager fixes their service. Wise up folks. Someone with a six figure job won’t get much sympathy!
“ . They found a vehicle where the ladder rack was unscrewed to make it fall when driven”
Haha, welcome to our world of little maintenance, that’s a common occurrence. Nothing nefarious there, we have had trouble with vehicle maintenance since they went to contractors a long time ago. You send it in for a specific problem and it comes back with something else, non related repaired. Anyone that works in the field can tell you that.
We will take inventory and inspect the vehicles upon our return.
“ The Southeast Central Offices are a disgrace!”
I agree, old nasty office chairs that you can only see a little of the original colors showing through. “Unmanned” CO restrooms get resupplied about once a quarter. It’s a OSHA dream for write up. unsanitary, usually out of TP, paper towels and soap. The toilets don’t get brushed, sinks are nasty, floors are sticky. Waste cans overflowing. Put in multiple tickets but nothing still happens.
The CO itself has roaches, spiders and other bugs , floors are filthy, never mopped or waxed like they used to do, dust everywhere and as someone posted earlier, asbestos that’s really old.
“Our vehicles “
You don’t own anything in those vehicles and if you did leave something personal in there then that’s on you. Many techs tampered with the vehicles to sc--w with management. They found a vehicle where the ladder rack was unscrewed to make it fall when driven. Shady child behavior.
Sounds like some CP managers are trying to justify losing tools and making a general mess. Good thing we took pictures of our vehicles before we left.
The Southeast Central Offices are a disgrace!
They’ve literally never been cleaned. It would cost a million dollars to clean one of these cr-p holes. It’s truly unbelievable that they allow these offices to look like this. The homeless people would prefer to be on the streets.
Shameful.
Are the company negotiators still calling Wire Techs, second class?
I will say that some of these old vans have no business being on the road. Why is there no inspection process to get rid of the accidents waiting to happen?
Another sycophant attempt to tell us how great they are and how bad we have it. Stankey loves his CP warriors working free OT. I know they told you there is significant compensation at the end, Stankey calls it severance.
Just finished up wave 2 layoffs on Sept 9, about to start wave 3. Stankey loves the Happy Holidays layoffs, he even gets dressed up in his pajamas for it. Go after the main character in this drama because it’s not the workers who put 150 billion debt on the bottom line.
When you guys come back bring a new jar of pickles. Just saying.
Tools scattered everywhere.
Your trucks has tools?
(Why T gotta treat the west so nice and not D3?)
I’ll tell you one thing….it probably wasn’t a good idea for CWA leadership to get on a conference call with thousands and refer to the company as a-holes and b*stards. Can you blame the company for maintaining a harder stance?
I’m a manager deployed installing fiber. The work isn’t hard at all. The worst part is figuring out the mess the techs have made in the pfp’s and riding around in the nasty vans. I’ve never seen such a disorganized mess in my life. Tools scattered everywhere. Guess who created those working conditions? Just plain nasty. I do fault their managers as well for letting the techs get away with the mess.
“Since you brought it up, we do work in asbestos, They had an abatement team remove the broken asbestos tiles in the restroom”
oops. But, wait. Why the ULP strike then if they are obviously addressing the conditions willingly.
ULP, ULP, ULP.
“the working conditions in those copper mines, the asbestos“
Since you brought it up, we do work in asbestos, have signage in several of the CO’s I work in. They finally had an abatement team remove the broken asbestos tiles in the restroom but there is still plenty around on the air ducts, pipes and other places. It’s concerning buildings this old haven’t had it removed yet.
Troll on, CP guys just dispatched out at our picket location, must have a damage. They usual stop for a minute and chat but was in a hurry this morning.
Oh but how in the world could D3 possibly continue to work? After all, the D3 Strike is a ULP strike. It’s a ULP strike I say da---t. … the working conditions in those copper mines, the asbestos, and underage children working dangerous machinery. HARDEEE HAR HAR ALICE!!!! HARDEEE HAR HAR.
(Why T gotta treat the west so nice and not D3?)