And volunteer to leave, after this last round of layoffs.
I had no idea so many people in my organization wanted to leave. There’s a line so long, people have been waiting for the past several layoffs just to get a package. You just don’t hear about it until after it happens.
T could have saved so much money, dysfunction and boosted morale (which is priceless) by offering anyone over 50, MR75 eligible, a package, perhaps a years salary to leave. Employees would have left, trained their replacements more than adequately and everyone would have been happy and not resentful. The vast majority of employees want to come to work and add value and in return they want their employer to value them. When a person does not feel valued as studies have shown their productivity unfortunately decreases and bad morale spreads like a virus.
Tell your manager your quit today. Let me know how that expected severance works out for you.
Not as thick as you. Severance is for those who either "volunteer" to leave by not accepting RTO city reassignment, or for those otherwise surplused. No one ever said it was for anyone who quit. A layoff, a surplus, or not 'following the job,' will all trigger the management severance policy.
“This company is ready to let tenured, talented heads of departments go so that they can put their own Microsoft employees in the position, with zero knowledge of how this company works. leadership just takes their money and is all about destroying the company!”
Sit back down, top performer.
“Not only is it expected, it is part of the management policy. As mentioned before, it is a management severance policy to pay up to 6 months of pay. It's a policy, provided in writing”
God you’re one thick tu-d.
Tell your manager your quit today. Let me know how that expected severance works out for you. Again, stop liking your own posts, loser.
The powers that be have no idea how their SEVPs, CFO, CEO, SVPs or VPs are destroying the company. Younger employees are not always the best choice. This company is ready to let tenured, talented heads of departments go so that they can put their own Microsoft employees in the position, with zero knowledge of how this company works. leadership just takes their money and is all about destroying the company!
This was too long in coming. The company needs a PIP program for anyone demonstrating inflexibility to change. Get rid of the dead wood before it contaminates the surrounding environment. Limit the "package" to security escorting them from the premises.
Standards went out the window with the bad business ventures of the past few years, and the company was saddled with 10-15K employees of a sub-optimal Class. We're getting back to our fighting weight, and most of those will be gone by June 2025.
Expected severance?
*I guess you haven’t been here very long. There is no expected severence (sic), you dummy.*
Not only is it expected, it is part of the management policy. As mentioned before, it is a management severance policy to pay up to 6 months of pay. It's a policy, provided in writing.
It is fascinating! Slow Motion Car Crashes. I come here to watch the final disintegration of what could have been a good career. Will they shut up before it's too late for them to recover? Most times they just go out in flames.
"The reason most people fear being released is having to acknowledge they failed to maintain a in-demand skillset. Gotta blame it on something other than themselves. It is disappointing to see coworkers leave. Always a top performer? Not really. Too many just maintained the status quo and hoped it wouldn't happen to them."
Wow! That is world class naivete. The hallmark of a person who either hasn't paid attention or hasn't been around large corporations that long. If I had a dollar for every excellent employee I saw laid off in my career I could have retired 2 decades ago.
"Fair winds and following seas~"
LMAO! That is a perfect send off. I've always been intrigued by the AT&T Keyboard Commandos on here. I wonder how they fail to see they are the problem, not the company they work for. They are the smartest person in the room, and they'll tell you as much, three times if you'll let them. It's always the same in the end. They're gone, and no one cares.
No one on our team under the age of 30 for the past 15 years, and with good reason. We are achievement oriented in our professional and personal lives. No surplus losses, and no one worries about it. The difference I see in comments on this forum is a lot of people who never planned for the day after today or the week after this one. I agree you should be afraid, but no one feels sorry for you. Better one of you than a productive employee. Did you learn anything, or will you repeat the same mistakes if you happen to find meaningful employment after your pending termination? If there is a next time for you, put the same effort into being a contributing member as you spent running your mouth. Fair winds and following seas~
"The reason most people fear being released is having to acknowledge they failed to maintain a in-demand skillset"
Truth spoken
don't forget those who are retirement eligible get all those perks like cell phone plan discounts that still cost more than competitors. "Packages" like these make us all want to leave.
" Yes, AT&T offers severance for some situations and yes, many in the industry call it a package. Who cares? "
I care. Because the use of the word "package" implies or suggests there is something more than severance pay. Which there isn't, and hasn't been for a long time now.
Severance pay for long time employees being let go is a bare minimum standard at most large employers.
Let's not give the illusion that T does more than the bare minimum by talking about "packages".
top leadership has been pushing a culture of layoffs, forced relocation, zero appreciation, its where you work what matters not the quality of work, performance means nothing, a toxic draconian environment and you are surprised that employees are waiting for severance to leave
For people arguing about if severance is a package or not... get over it. Worthless argument. Yes, AT&T offers severance for some situations and yes, many in the industry call it a package. Who cares? What counts is the severance benefit itself.
I think OP meant to say he or she has never seen so many employees with their hands out rather than up. The lifers will only leave with paid severance. This is one reason RTO has been needed.
L4's and up there are packages. at some point, leadeship levels are on employment terms that look a lot like contract agreements.
" If you receive severance, that’s a package you mo--n"
Listen, Gramps--
It's an antiquated term. The same way you are antiquated. You make yourself sound more antiquated when you use it.
There is a severance "policy". You receive your severance pay according to the terms of the severance "policy".
"Package" harkens to the days of the telegraph; when you were younger, and there were other perks they bundled into a "package" with your severance pay to entice geriatric workers such as yourself to go.
There are no more packages. There is just severance pay. No one uses the term "package" anymore except you. I bet you also still print directions from Mapquest and were very angry when they forced you to strop faxing your timesheet in. Get with it Gramps.
The best is how everyone knows too.
“Did you hear xx people got laid off?”
“Yea, but I heard xx people volunteered”
“Wow, I didn’t know that many people were waiting for a package”
“Yes, so and so has been trying to get a severance package for months.”
I raised my hand to accept a severance package for the last 2 layoffs and finally got one!
6 months pay, plus 7 months of unemployment is a great way to head into retirement.
You have to ask if you can leave? Give notice and see if anyone tries to prevent your departure.
“Then you haven't been here very long. "Package" is a very specific term in T/Bell world. They are sometimes called early retirement or voluntary separation packages and involve limited time offer incentives over and above the usual and expected severance. “
Expected severance?
I guess you haven’t been here very long. There is no expected severence, you dummy.
It’s called a severance package. It’s a package, you I-d-i-o-t l. Stop liking your own comments and downvoting others too, you loser.
If you receive severance, that’s a package you mo--n. It’s a severance package and it’s the same exact thing you’d get if you volunteered.
You can also just quit, and then guess what happens?
No severance PACKAGE! You dummy.
"Leave it at the office at the end of the day"
They haven't figured that yet. It's a character flaw. Complaining is all they know, and they won't leave because they have nowhere to go. No one wants them.
“I raised my hand and requested to leave months ago. Finally, i was accommodated and left the payroll on 10/10/2024. I did not get a "Package" but did get 6 months' Severance. I was retirement eligible (big deal gets you nothing) but why leave for free? Not the company i hired on with many years ago. Good luck to the rest of you.”
Good for you, people gotta learn to extract as much capital from this sinking ship as possible.
I raised my hand and requested to leave months ago. Finally, i was accommodated and left the payroll on 10/10/2024. I did not get a "Package" but did get 6 months' Severance. I was retirement eligible (big deal gets you nothing) but why leave for free? Not the company i hired on with many years ago. Good luck to the rest of you.
“Yep. I lied about moving so I can still collect the check but I’m on my way out.
FOW so I only have to go in once a week.
$200k a year, bonus coming, stock match, insurance, til June 30th + PTO (take it when time is up). If I find something else I’ll just put in my 2 weeks. Life is good.”
So many people mad this person lied about moving and is playing the game the way Stankey intended.
Why are people mad at this person?
People need to stop talking about “packages”. There are none. Hasn’t been any of that stuff for a decade or so. Pension kickers, etc. it no longer happens.
There is severance. That’s it.
Stop talking about packages.
Your supervisor and peers hope you'll be leaving soon
"must be an stupid id--t who couldn't get a job anywhere else"
Solid work history with demonstrated adaptability rewarded by promotions, awards, bonuses, pay raises, solid pension and 401K? Who would want to sc--w that up? You don't get this on Day One. You have to be willing to work for it.
"how they choose who will be axed"
Seen a lot of unexpected last minute saves. Safe to assume it wasn't because the looked good in a wet t-shirt.
Layoffs are not always the fault of the employee. Don't be a jerk and assume you know why or how they choose who will be axed; it's not always about performance. And walked out the door? Only people I've seen walked out were either fired for cause or had a clearance level that wouldn't have made it feasible to have them stay through a 2-week notice.
"they’re lined up at the door"
The reason most people fear being released is having to acknowledge they failed to maintain a in-demand skillset. Gotta blame it on something other than themselves. It is disappointing to see coworkers leave. Always a top performer? Not really. Too many just maintained the status quo and hoped it wouldn't happen to them. It happened. Times change and you have to keep up. Everyone has been warned over the years through reminders to take advantage of available training and update your skills profile. At the least you would have skills in demand elsewhere. Many will be starting at square one when they are justifiably walked out the door. They will be technically far behind the other jobseekers competing for a new position outside of AT&T. That's the fault of the CEO, right? Be sure to share that gem during your job interviews. Come back and let us know how that worked out for you.
@ piv+1uY86FMx
Exactly!! I retire in 7 months with 33 years. Taking 4 months to finish building our house and then coming back as a Contractor. Never understood all the whining. Leave it at the office at the end of the day. This is easy money.
Who are all these losers holding their hands up volunteering to leave? Never seen it in 27 years except for those nearing retirement. How is it good folks are being surplussed, yet all you sh*theads are still around?
Yep.
I lied about moving so I can still collect the check but I’m on my way out.
FOW so I only have to go in once a week.
$200k a year, bonus coming, stock match, insurance, til June 30th + PTO (take it when time is up).
If I find something else I’ll just put in my 2 weeks.
Life is good.
@myz+1uY86FMx "Wrong. There are severance packages ..."
Then you haven't been here very long. "Package" is a very specific term in T/Bell world. They are sometimes called early retirement or voluntary separation packages and involve limited time offer incentives over and above the usual and expected severance. They sometimes included extra years of service being added for retirement calculations, medical benefits that would no longer be available to those staying on after a certain date, and/or service provider benefits at a rate, etc. There has not been an offered "package" beyond just the severance in a few years, and they have gotten progressively less attractive.
At yet they stay.