Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cisco Job Security

This time is different. Cisco has forever damaged their credibility in the eyes of current and future employees with their LR cadence. I have spoken to individual contributors, first line managers, senior managers, business development, partner account managers, developers and directors.

A job is a contract between an employee and the corporation. The employee is a private citizen, the corporation is simply a business entity whose primary motivation is shareholder profits. This is not a bad thing, it's capitalism. Cisco is not your friend, your family, your nanny, your tribe or your mom. Cisco is a declining corporation that has been steered in recent years to primarily financially benefit the Executive Leadership Team (ELT) and shareholders. LRs are simple financial engineering that artificially inflates the price per share of CSCO stock. ELT can then sell shares at these lofty values. The current Cisco ELT most closely resemble private equity in the sense that they have drained capital from Cisco at the expense of partners, customers and employees.

Prior to this era, Cisco was a good place to work.

The contract between an employee and the corporation is an exchange of value.

Cisco provides sompensation in the form of Pay & Benefits.
(Benefits in the form of time off, medical insurance, dental insurance, retirement benefits (401k matching) and others). The employee provides time and work as well as intellectual capital contributions in the form of innovations, patents, etc, although this is fairly limited. What is not discussed enough in this contract is Certainty.

That is, a sense of certainty that the employee will be employed in the future, as long as they do the job in the manner prescribed by management.

The last few LRs removed this from the contract.

Cisco employees, in exchange for their labor, get Pay, Benefits and now:

  1. Layoff fears every 6 months.

Anxiety, worry and fear that they will not have a job in half a year that persists, year in and year out.

  1. Unlimited PTO

which is in many ways a scam tied to #1. PTO no longer accrues which is effectively a pay cut. Worse than that, however, is that the constant fear of the next LR will make taking ANY time off to be a considerable risk for employees. This will adversely affect health, families, stress levels on a personal level. On a professional level, Unlimited PTO has proven to negatively affect team dynamics, management relationships and overall job satisfaction

Two of the biggest benefits that working for Cisco used to provide (Job security and benefits) are now almost entirely gone. What is left is chaos, fear and uncertainty.

What about Cisco Partners? well, Splunk likes to sell direct so you're sc--wed too.

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Post ID: @OP+1uQrt6cx

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Cisco hypershield is a vaporware disaster.

Think about it. Cisco has not innovated on a product in 30 years. Every successful product they have had has been an acquisition.

Grand Junction, Stratacom, Webex, Sourcefire, Aironet. Pix, etc. etc.
Meraki, Viptela, etc etc

although "success" is a stretch for many of these.

Splunk was $28 Billion. will it float?

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Post ID: @4eca+1uQrt6cx

Morale is so fu#*ing bad right now.

February is going to be the MOAL (Mother of all Layoffs)

Q1 is over and Cisco ELT has squandered it with this disastrous LR

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Post ID: @3zyb+1uQrt6cx

I have never seen it so bad at Cisco. I've been through a half a dozen layoffs. this one was by far the worst and it's still going.

Nobody knows what to do. People are like the walking dead. morale is at rock bottom.

This is a crisis.

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Post ID: @2blu+1uQrt6cx
Two of the biggest benefits that working for Cisco used to provide (Job security and benefits) are now almost entirely gone.

Ah, the 1990s. They were a long time ago. A forgotten fact of that time is you could still be sent off to "spend time with your family" if you sc--wed up enough, something not done nearly enough once the 2000s hit, the stock tanked and ultimately stock options for everyone gave way to RSUs only available initially to high end workers, which meant Cisco could no longer instantly attract replacement talent.

You work at a legacy company with unfathomable technical debt that at least around a year ago was in the top 20 tech companies in the world by revenue and by market cap which means there are strong expectations of infinite growth. That's the independent variable and everything else are dependent variables. Do the math.

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Post ID: @2daw+1uQrt6cx

This all makes sense. Cisco ELT bought an old, legacy company for $28 billion to get in to AI

Cisco missed AI and overspent on Splunk.

Winter is Coming

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Post ID: @2fou+1uQrt6cx

"Two of the biggest benefits that working for Cisco used to provide (Job security and benefits) are now almost entirely gone. What is left is chaos, fear and uncertainty."

Cisco also used to have decent tools, relevant training, career certifications that employers actually cared about.

a CCNA used to carry with it a sense of pride and looked so good on a resume.

now, a CCNA is kind of a joke, mostly irrelevant
AWS, ISC2 CCSP, VMWARE, Microsoft, Google, etc. ALL have higher demand, higher pay and more relevancy.

Cisco tries to force "partners" to certify. Many are pushing back.

It's just not worth it

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Post ID: @2fsf+1uQrt6cx

Amazon is cutting 14,000 Managers and creating a "Bureaucracy tip line" so employees can call out waste.

a "Cisco Bureaucracy Tip Line" would probably crash the global internet.

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Post ID: @2hqz+1uQrt6cx
Then CEO Chambers was so upset w/ how the layoff was handled, he subsequently fired the SVP of HR.

...then went on to do layoffs as often as quarterly for the remaining 14 years of his tenure, brought in rank-and-yank and did wage freezes because he cared about our family!

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Post ID: @2dsf+1uQrt6cx

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@1svo+1uQrt6cx

the NEW SplunkSco is already selling direct. Partners see this and are very, very upset.

Partner Summit is weeks away and will be a wake up call.

IF you are a Cisco Partner reading this, ask yourself.

Why would I support this? The deal was that Cisco would sell only through partners. Now I am at a HUGE disadvantage in terms of visibility, orderability, pipeline, lead times, manufacturing, support...

Will Cisco sell the shiny apples and just let partners fight over the bruised, rotten ones?

Why yes. Yes Cisco will

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Post ID: @1hpx+1uQrt6cx

@zbi+1uQrt6cx - Cisco's first layoff was in April 2001. The then SVP of HR announced it in January; waiting 4 months was torture & obviously brought down employee morale & productivity. When the day came it was intense. There were hired security guards at Corp HQ & we had 911 services on alert. When my VP told one of his (older male) Directors that he was being laid off, the man fainted, and my VP yelled out to me "Call 911". Then CEO Chambers was so upset w/ how the layoff was handled, he subsequently fired the SVP of HR.

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Post ID: @1dfk+1uQrt6cx

I’m just waiting until Nov to get my RSUs before I leave. However, I have so little trust for Cisco leadership that I’ll try to jump ship earlier. The “leadership” is clearly playing a different game than everyone else at the company.

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Post ID: @1vhq+1uQrt6cx

Stephen Covey says it best:
Your economic security does not lie in your JOB; it lies in your own power to produce – to think, to learn, to create, to adapt. That’s true financial independence. It’s not having wealth; it’s having the power to produce wealth. It’s intrinsic.

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Post ID: @1gaf+1uQrt6cx

LLYNH

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Post ID: @1kiy+1uQrt6cx

You work in an at will state for a private corporation.

You don’t seem to understand. Cisco is going to be no more in the near future. They are going to act like it will be okay to keep morale up. But the restructuring, layoffs, restructure if again, sell assets etc will eventually be gone.

I’m not sure you understand this is and has been happening bit by bit for a couple years EVERYWHERE in America. Over 200,000 layoffs since January and no one is hiring.
Managment will get laid off too.

Open your eyes and see it’s been bad and people have been losing homes and not able to eat because there are no jobs now.

It’s good to feel passionate but we can’t change a collapsing economy.

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Post ID: @1zuj+1uQrt6cx

it has been like this for a while

the teams I have been on have done very little hiring in the last few years, but when we did, we were clearly attracting the D-listers

mostly we attract folks from other D-list companies now....IBM, VMWare etc

these folks just circulate from one loser org to the next...doing nothing, collecting a paycheck until they are forced to move on

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Post ID: @1iwb+1uQrt6cx

It's not just Cisco, it's late stage capitalism. Its a race to the bottom for all these big corporates. They will skin and bone everything in a bid to stay profitable. But eternal growth is impossible.

Try and build community, shop local, prepare for job loss and upskill with something more tangible. The American government like our corporate leaders do not care about us, we have to lead for our families and our communities.

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Post ID: @1wec+1uQrt6cx

"Partners reselling didn’t make sense when we had around 2-3 levels of our own sales as well...."

  1. Partners provide a huge amount of uncompensated back office labor. One example:

every partner- generated quick quote or deal reg is a forecast opportunity; every closed deal relies on partner order entry.

  1. Cisco relies on partners for cash flow. A Cisco tier 1 partner is required to pay Cisco within terms or lose their tier 1 designation whether or not they are paid by the end customer. In a real sense, partners and distributors -are- Cisco's customers.
  1. Partners provide account continuity. A customer working with even a single partner may have the same partner account team for years. In that same time period, there will be an appalling rotation of Cisco people on that same account who will come armed with their quotas, their comp plan, access to a vast marketing organization and little interest in the customer's actual needs. Cisco relies on partners to maintain the boots-on-the ground relationships and positions.
  1. Private equity has gutted the partnership ecology -- a huge number of smaller partners have been acquired in the last ten years. Most of the larger remaining partners are crawling with ex-Cisco people who are not exactly blind to what is happening with the company.

Sidebar: I strongly recommend that everyone on this board read or listen to the following book to understand what is happening to all of us: "Technofeudalism: What Ki-led Capitalism" by Yanis Varoufakis, former finance minister of Greece.

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Post ID: @1svo+1uQrt6cx
Cisco has been eliminating jobs since 2008 [2001 when 27% of the employees and contractors were laid off. It was well before 2008 when Cisco was doing quarterly layoffs].

FTFY yet again. How many times do you have to be corrected to actually learn this?

What do you think happened to all those employees with families?

The ones I worked with could do things so they got better jobs for more money, and that includes the "great recession" of 2008 as well as people over 60 in the past year. That's why a few of us who escaped stay on this site to tell everyone over and over again to keep growing your skills and your professional network, and to keep a foot in the job market in case something better comes along even if you're happy where you are, be it Cisco or anywhere else. It works. We know no more than a handful will get it each round by the (+0/-n) votes for the more polite presentations but keeping even one person from washing out each round is worth it. If the -n free up slots for people who strive to be better it's just more wins.

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Post ID: @1frd+1uQrt6cx
Change is the only constant.

Layoffs are the only constant.

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Post ID: @1nsj+1uQrt6cx

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@1cyy+1uQrt6cx

"It’s a shame to read these negative statements about Cisco. The fact is a good 90% of us feel the company going in the right direction and believe in our great leaders!"

Chuck? That you?

I just feel sorry for the HR lackeys who have been tasked with monitoring these boards and spreading pro-Cisco propaganda.

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Post ID: @1puq+1uQrt6cx

After say 50-75 layoffs over more than 23 years the only differences are RSUs instead of stock options, unlimited (read: very limited) PTO, and the latest CEO's smile doesn't make the submissives swoon.

In broader industry layoffs go back over 40 years when "Generous Electric" vaporized 100,000 employees while leaving the buildings in tact without raising media attention, earning the CEO the nickname Neutron Jack. That's longer than most careers. Not new.

Just as OP thinks they're the first to discover this (not even the first time this layoff,) another crowd will appear after the next layoffs making the same proclamations as if they were the first to discover it, just as they have here for many years.

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Post ID: @1ddg+1uQrt6cx

It’s a shame to read these negative statements about Cisco. The fact is a good 90% of us feel the company going in the right direction and believe in our great leaders!

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Post ID: @1cyy+1uQrt6cx

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@isa+1uQrt6cx

Cisco "Partners" are feeling betrayed. Especially partners that built much of their business around the cisco partnership.

Now needing to compete with the company that sells the product you are selling?

crazy business model.

When the partners leave, Cisco is toast.

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Post ID: @ezo+1uQrt6cx

Chuck is simply milking this cow dry until it is no longer alive

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Post ID: @kwn+1uQrt6cx

Very nicely stated the current situation at Shitsco.

Besides constant Layoff fears and unlimited PTO, the third of three legged stool of corporate job security is its stock growth and RSUs. Stock has not done anything and given RSUs are taken back by management after the LR, so employees are in real deep trouble as to options available before managers tighten sc--w to make employees leave on their own before been pushed into a PIP and LR. The situation may not be resolvable anytime soon, if it could.

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Post ID: @lha+1uQrt6cx

@zat+1uQrt6cx That souns like a open-shut constructive dismissal lawsuit. If it's happening a lot, that could be a billion dollar class action.

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Post ID: @fjn+1uQrt6cx

Partners reselling didn’t make sense when we had around 2-3 levels of our own sales as well - I mean tme’s , solution engineers, account managers etc, and then partners for the final truck rolls ? Can anyone explain the puzzle ? Splunk was pure software so a truck roll didn’t make sense there?

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Post ID: @cfw+1uQrt6cx

The ELT is literally driving Cisco into the ground for their own profit and ego. We used to be a people company and now we don’t care about people we only care about the profit.

As to vacation, it cost the company money when people accrued vacation, and then they had to pay it off when they had an LR. Now we can LR without worrying about vacation, isn’t this great!! Lol

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Post ID: @hxu+1uQrt6cx

Change is the only constant.

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Post ID: @kuk+1uQrt6cx

This is the scenario folks management is humiliating an employee along with sh---y coworkers who are pets of this manager , dumping more work on him to mentally break him to make him quit without severance, employee cannot approach HR which everyone knows is big trouble and kind off useless, cannot quit his job which will land him in trouble financially and job market is extremely tough outside inspite of searching for a long time. I just highlighted situation of a lot of employees at Shitsco , can someone suggest what is the best alternative to get out of this shithole situation

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Post ID: @zat+1uQrt6cx

Cisco used to be a partner led company. With Splunk they are selling directly to end customers.
Partners are fleeing to competitors. why?

Cisco is now directly COMPETING with their own Cisco Partners. Insane!

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Post ID: @isa+1uQrt6cx

The next few quarters are really a bad omen for Shitsco, there is absolutely no confidence whatsoever in any employee working for this company right now they are just going through the motions the fear is real

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Post ID: @jix+1uQrt6cx

Huh? People have been saying this for 15 years at Cisco. Walk around HQ in San Jose over 50% of the buildings are gone. Cisco has been eliminating jobs since 2008.

What do you think happened to all those employees with families?

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