Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

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OP, do you have a new manager this year?

Or you don’t?

Serious question. Do trolls enjoy being down voted, because it happens again and again! We know that they are either management, or they don’t work here.

At Oracle in support the new hires that know little make more than the loyal existing employees that have been there for years and are holding the damn place together.
That’s a fact in support, 100%.
It’s toxic AF having people teach new hires that are making more than them.

Oracle doesn’t care though, not enough old timers have quit. There are lots of very smart people who are either scared of change, close to retirement or don’t have financial issues and just want a job where they are comfortable with the work. Oracle capitalizes on this massively. They have not suffered enough financially from old timers quitting so they do nothing to fix this.
The reverse ageism comment is utter BS.

Sounds likely you’re unhappy. So move back to India. That IS your homeland, correct?

One of the golden rules of corporate survival is NEVER WORK FOR A BOSS WHO'S LESS INTELLIGENT than you are because you will always be rightfully percieved as a threat to take that individual's job.. A laterial move is exactly what you should do. But make sure you leave documentation behind so that when the next poor slob gets bushwacked by this jerk, he will have support to help him with his case. If you don't help get rid of people like that, that individual will ultimately sink his department and possibly the company. Never let an attack on you be cost-free. Lastly, read a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook. Can''t recommend it highly enough! All the best!

I just left my 2nd company post oracle. I’m not working right now but wow….to see people support bullying mgmt, managers who have it out for employees, managers who are just trash and blame the employee for being a problem child. Wow. Oracle will never improve with people like this.

Glad I left. Rather be unemployed then be around this trash.

“Relationship with My Direct Manager is Adversarial”

I bet your relationship with EVERYONE is adversarial. You are what’s known as a “bad employee”. Please leave Oracle before you’re canned, ‘cause it’s coming. As in, 6/1.

Tell him to go pound sand!

“ If I had this guy on my team, he would have been gone years ago. “
Ah, You’re a manager!

If you had been my manager I would have left years ago!

OP: “Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, think I’ll eat a worm!”

Charlie Brown: “Good grief!”

"Older people here make twice as much"

What a buffoon. It is well known that people who have stayed here years get sc--wed without decent raises.

It is also known that it is not difficult to get a new job and a nice raise by leaving at this time. Which begs the question, why aren't you simply jumping on one of those great opportunities, instead of expending so much effort on this board?

This OP is a real joke! The guy is clearly replying to his own initial post multiple times over. A number of these replies have exactly the SAME angry tone with also the SAME poor grammar and even the SAME spelling errors. But yet he thinks he is anonymous!

If I had this guy on my team, he would have been gone years ago. And… I pity any future employer that chooses to take a chance on this one.

I agree with almost everything you have said, except the old trampling down young people. That may be true in some instances, those people are living in fear. For my part, however, quite the opposite is true. There can’t be many people who have mentored more new talent. I can count many of my friends that have risen to managerial roles. Promotions based on competency! Don’t throw out all the old folks.

Their competency may not be the latest functionality, but that doesn’t mean they are not important! A F1 race car needs a great driver (you), a fast engine (OCI) and smooth gear box (sales), but it also needs brakes, and the wisdom when to apply them!

Oracle's MO is to make top performers not feel like top performers. Even though I am early career of course I am more competent. If anything that is an advantage, I am cloud native if you will. OCI Gen 2 came out in 2018.... Vast majority of management and sales have no idea what they are selling. If you put in just a little bit of elbow grease you will make almost everyone at Oracle look like Joe Blow of the street. Job market coming back. Not a single day the past two weeks I haven't been hit up for a job that is more compensation than I am currently receiving. Oracle might be good for the first year or so, but it is impossible to get a raise or promo here(undefined hurdle rate).

Older people here make twice as much, deliver 10x less, and tamp the young people down so they don't get exposed. If one can only pin their hat on their age or their tenure, that is pathetic. Yeah I got it, you twiddled your thumbs for twenty years before I got here.

@4snt+1szt3sGl Good to read that you’re leaving Oracle soon. Then you can be some other company’s problem child. Don’t hit the door on your way out!

You can think! You don’t fit in here!

You're right, I will be out of Oracle soon. Interviewing with several other companies for double the money and they are begging me to come to their companies. Whereas here at Oracle I had to completely switch teams even though my performance was off the chain just to go from IC-1 to IC-2. I am constantly disrespected at Oracle, the reverse-ageism at this company is bonkers. Completely de-motivating when you are treated accorded to your age and not your performance or the value you provide. If you ever wonder why the age demographic at Oracle is bimodal, look no further. You'd have to be a charlatan to stay at Oracle longer than 3-5 years. I can just hope I can manage to get laid off at the start of the fiscal, get that quarterly bonus, the severance, and the salary at my new company!

Sounds to me like this guy’s just some bratty little punk who has no business being an employee anywhere.

I am early career yet 100x more competent than he is

you are not. you are immature and know-it-all based on your post. in reality you don't even know yet how little you know.

Tell me about it. My manager works an hour a day and is completely clueless and only reaches out to give orders

Conclusion: The OP is a dope and will be outta Oracle really soon.

5 direct managers should tell you something. No one really wants you and we're happy to let you go. You current manager is building a case you did it to yourself

You're damn right i'm arrogant, but i'm also the smartest person at Oracle HAHAHAHAHAHA

Hmm... Ever hear the expression “You never get a second chance to make a first impression”? Well Chumley, you blew it, royally. Say goodbye to any salary raises or promotions. And more importantly, plan on becoming a layoff victim really, really soon.

No managers like having troublemakers on their team. And I can tell you're a troublemaker. Maybe you will take some lessons learned from your Oracle demise to your next job. Start that next job by making a great first impression. Don't be a twerp on Day 1.

I have had personally been a victim of such manager at ORCL. All the below advices with positive votes is absolute truth(Thanks to them) about Oracle Managers in general with very few exceptions.

Even when you claim you have good relationship with you bosses boss, in ORCL, if you do not follow hierarchy, you will be perceived as trouble maker and not fitting to the culture.

HR is USELESS, Do not waste time with them.

Depending on you condition either quickly plan exit from ORCL(best advice) or seek a transfer immediately to wherever you can, else it will be too late to regret.

You've blown it and now you're skrood.

My recommendation;

1. Look for the big, red button that says "EJECT"
2. Push it ASAP

You're welcome.

You come across as super arrogant, did you realize that? Nothing worse than some guy who always thinks he's the smartest one in the room. And if you're pushing back at every opportunity, you will likely be putting yourself on a RIF list, possibly as early as this June.

Bottom line - HR will not help you. You have dug your own grave. You're in trouble. Big trouble. That help?

I don't agree. Every manager is different.

June 1st you will be moved to a new Manager, but don’t expect that to be a solution. The managers all are cut from the same cloth.

Do not go to HR. Do I need to repeat that? Do not go to HR. HR will inform your manager, you will be labeled a trouble maker and you will be "cancelled" out of the org and Oracle. Trust me. From experience. If you have no stock or equity, make plans to either work an internal angle, watch internal job postings, retrain or whatever. Whatever you do don't go to HR. I am about to be transfered to a toxic bully myself, because I went to HR. Out of the frying pan and into the jaws of the person I was trying desperately to get away from.