its been a longstanding meme that you should not talk about your compensation at a private business, but in my opinion, fuсk it!
we are all entitled through this little thing called the first amendment (sorry canadabros, mean words are illegal sometimes).
heres the rules for this thread - post your business unit, your region, your title (without level), and your last paycheck amount ballparked to the nearest 500$.
ill start.
GTM
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I was offered like $130-140k base for a manager position a few years ago. (Same position at a competitor was 40 K more with notably better total compensation.)
As a contractor, I was grossing that in three months.
Observing how the company treats its salaried employees, morale, and the number of layoffs, there was a little incentive.
Throw my contractor status aside, it was a really mediocre offer anyway.
You can't counter an emotional argument with a logical one. That's an old saying, but also very true. The poster complaining about the cost of education and the cost of living might have the numbers grossly overstated... but they aren't wrong in their outrage.
You can only work the tools you have at your disposal, though. Be angry all you like. But if in your anger you opt to do nothing personally, then don't be surprised when nothing changes for the better.
If you are hungry, all the outrage in the world won't buy you a sandwich.
“Hmmmm …. Same ancestors that didn’t have to spend 500k on education (adjusted for inflation) to have a minimum wage job”
Why is there so much drama in this thread? Who the heck spent $500k on their education? Seriously, who in Enbridge spent $500k for their education and got a minimum wage? For Pete’s sake Enbridge does not pay minimum wage. The replies in this thread are so out of touch and overly dramatic LOL. If you are in so much student loans and can’t get a decent paying job maybe you made a mistake with going to expensive school when you have the option to go to much cheaper school and get the same degree.
This is the best thread on here …. It demonstrates how poor morale is.
I find it funny the poster whom talked about ancestors saving for the future.
Hmmmm …. Same ancestors that didn’t have to spend 500k on education (adjusted for inflation) to have a minimum wage job? Same ancestors that weren’t flogged to death by corporate greed? The same ancestors whom built their job and career based on owners that valued them and their families versus viewed as a necessary expense to achieve owner profits.
Those same ancestors didn’t have the capital barrier to start their own business and become competitive and become an owner themselves.
And yea salaries are the heart of this … between stagnant growth and transfer of wealth to shareholders only with limited ability to join the ranks of so called wealthy barbers …. Were you all expecting sunshine and rainbows to come out of this list.
People are pi---d
“How did a post about salary discussion get so sideways.
There is a bunch of id--tic comments in this.
Wow just wow”
Wow just wow, and what do you think you can achieve by discussing your salary in public? It’s an id--tic suggestion actually.
Fu-k sakes. !
How did a post about salary discussion get so sideways.
There is a bunch of id--tic comments in this.
Wow just wow.
The OP has never read the first amendment. Neither you nor Enbridge is bound by it.
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No problem. Carry that lack of personal directions and ownership into your future. Let us know how that goes.
“Boils down to Personality? Ha ha ha. More like .,.”Boils down to whom you are related to.” Or “you scratch my back, I scratch yours.” Hiring/promoting each other friends/family.
“That type of "educational inflation" is real. What used to be possible without post-secondary education now requires a 2 or 4 year program to attain. What used to require a bachelor's degree now takes a masters.”
This is very true, I met HR people across industry and one said that for a mid level position sometimes they get at least 300 applicants and the applicants are not only competing based on skills and relevant experience but you are also competing with someone who also have masters or doctorate and some more certifications. But it also depends on the hiring manager and sometimes it also boils down to personality.
“I bet you would suggest that euthanizing people without jobs after 6 months is acceptable. Cause you know - it's entitlement to struggle and not be able to thrive in this economy .....”
Are you not supposed to save for rainy days? Don’t be so overly dramatic, enbridge pays well. I had known people in enbridge who bought big houses and luxury cars then when got laid off went into lots of credit card debts bcoz they did not saved for any emergency.
And don’t compare the situation from post world war, I bet your ancestors had saved for emergencies. Nobody wants to get laid off but be realistic that no one promised you a lifetime of employment.
Don't get me wrong. I think that the circumstances that Gen Y/Z are forced to live within are not fair. At all. I'm Gen X and I enjoy all the benefits that it entails. "The forgotten generation". "Just buckle down and do the work" runs pretty deep in my thinking. But the reward for doing that - which I got to enjoy - was relative middle-class affluence. It just isn't true anymore.
My objection is that people shouldn't offload the responsibility for improving their lot in life to the company. That's the "entitlement" you mention. Plenty of people improve their circumstances - it still happens. But people have to make the effort. Expecting it to be handed to them because they're minimally adequate just feels hollow to me.
"That's not just absurd... it's not even "not smart". It's bottom of the barrel, and you should be ashamed."
I'm not ashamed - i'm just entitled
hee hee
"While the bo-m after the war pushed the landscape a bit in favour of workers it wasn't for some communal sense of altruism and a focus on the things you mention."
of course it wasn't. Boomers did nothing to favour workers. boomers favored greed and wealth generation that has outpaced the economy for the generations that came after. Their predecessors had these values - maybe cause they fought for them?
What are we fighting for now as a society? Fairness in employment, oppurtunity, and an affordable life.
Corporations are now deemed as more important than people.
The folks whom fought for these freedoms, if they are still alive would be ashamed at what has happened.
buh-bye
If the average education of the population goes up, the average lifestyle does not necessarily rise with the education. It's also possible - and likely - that the standard of education required for positions rises, but that the lifestyle mostly stays flat.
That type of "educational inflation" is real. What used to be possible without post-secondary education now requires a 2 or 4 year program to attain. What used to require a bachelor's degree now takes a masters.
How "progressive" a society is has little to do with economics.
"I bet you would suggest that euthanizing people without jobs after 6 months is acceptable. " - I could probably just yank that sentence out and conclude - rightly - that you have no point and no argument here. That's not just absurd... it's not even "not smart". It's bottom of the barrel, and you should be ashamed.
But... stop idealizing the past. Unions were built to lift people "out" of the circumstances of the past. There was never a time in the last century where a middle class income let you buy property anywhere you like. Moving your family towards economically booming areas, and moving them away from places in the bust cycle was normal.
While the bo-m after the war pushed the landscape a bit in favour of workers it wasn't for some communal sense of altruism and a focus on the things you mention. Company towns still existed into the 1950s. In your rush to put a sepia filter the "old days" you're glossing over a lot.
Always get a kick out of the people that say "entitlement" when it comes to employment .... in the year of 2024 - with the supposedly 'elevated' level of education, and supposedly progressive nature of our society.
At one time, after WWII there was a call for basic human rights to include things like housing and employment and freedom. These were the principles / values upon which most of the industry was built upon. then came the corporations and greed of the 70s and 80s - and most of these values went out the door .... because "that's entitlement".
Not - that's not entitlement - it's progressive thinking and caring for humanity. To the last poster - you're seriously flawed in your anti-humane approach.
I bet you would suggest that euthanizing people without jobs after 6 months is acceptable. Cause you know - it's entitlement to struggle and not be able to thrive in this economy .....
I sincerely hope you don't have children or are assisting in raising the next generation - because your attitude is why younger people or giving up.
but thats ok - you have 'your' money now and that's all that matters.
jerk.
“Yes, whatever you do, don't blame the corporation for making layoffs...
How's that boot tasting?”
Where did you see in your employment offer that you are guaranteed not to get laid off? Sorry, I met a lot of nice people in enbridge but I also met a lot of people whose entitlement goes beyond extended coffee breaks and lunchtime, lots of gossiping during office hours, watching movies and playing video games and even sleeping LOL. Not to mention th inefficiencies and incompetence in some areas.
Yes for profit corporations are greedy but they exist to make profits and not a charity. Besides they have to be competitive and survive so they can continue to provide employment also.
It's not Enbridge's task (or any other employer's) to align their salary with your preferred lifestyle. It's your job to evaluate whether the salary of the job is sufficient. Their task is to offer wages competitive enough to attract the people they want.
If the wage on offer can't allow you to buy a house in Toronto, then either don't buy the house in Toronto, or find another job that gets you there.
Yes, whatever you do, don't blame the corporation for making layoffs...
How's that boot tasting?
Don’t buy a house you can’t afford, stop making a drama if you can rent or move out of Toronto instead of blaming any corporation you work for that you’re not making enough or if they’re doing layoffs. Maybe you’re not worth a $200k salary so stop spending way above your means.
To the poster who says 4k a month mortgage is a lot. You can't even live in a shoebox in the sky if you live in Toronto.
Housing prices are insane but majority of folks are ignorant to other people's struggles.
I hope you do realized that knowing and comparing pay check to one another doesn’t really have much meaning unless you know how they handle their money. And the purchasing power of your dollar will be affected by the area that you’re residing such as housing costs, taxes, number of dependents, how much debt you have etc
Enbridge pays well, above average according to some surveys but I have seen colleagues spend like they’re never gonna get laid off. Buying “rentals” with minimal downpayment and $4,000 mortgage on a house they can’t really afford, luxury cars on high monthly payments and vacation to Disneyland all the while bringing their grown up kids LOL.
Some of our Enbridge folks lifestyle is like a “feast and famine” idea. Some people go into retirement still with lots of debt which the pension can’t sustain.