Wrapped up my final interview for another internal position this week, looking pretty promising.
Will my current manager have any say on when I start at the next position? Can they offer me any incentive to stay? Could they veto it?
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Agree. Would love to hear from the OP
ok yeah OP what happened?
OP how did it go? Don't leave us hanging. Give us the happy or sad ending of the story.
I know exactly which report the previous commenter was referring to. It's the DEI report(s). SAS only started doing them in 2021 so there are only 3 of them. What's strange is I know I saw at least one of these finished in a PDF form but those PDFs are nowhere to be found. Guessing there must have been stuff in them that wasn't flattering to the company.
those are the only reports that have the breakdowns of race and secks and promotions and stuff. of course there is no way to know if the information in them is accurate. they sure paint a picture of a company where it's good to be an old white man.
Your current manager will not be informed by HR that you are seeking a new role and have been selected for that role. In the past, your current manager would have a say, but this changed in recent years.
@1oqi+1sVOkDAS Wow someone triggers a bit easily.
I’m plenty educated but thanks for the tip.
I wasn’t calling out whether 98% of internal transfers are women. Sounds unlikely but if you “saw it somewhere” that’s good enough for me.
You are free to post sources.
What I was calling out as conspiratorial was your pretty direct implication that only women have to drop 1-2 levels in title and take pay cuts when transferring jobs.
Again feel free to post sources backing these assertions up. Until then it is by definition conspiratorial to suggest that a certain class is being targeted without data to back it up. Doesn’t mean it isn’t true. But I choose not to take anonymous comments as facts.
It's not a conspiracy, di-----k. SAS publishes a report, it may even be part of the annual report. Can't remember where I saw it. I want to say that in 2022, those who 'took advantage of internal mobility opportunities' were 98% female. Haven't checked the '23 or '24 numbers but I've got a feeling they won't be far off from that.
There are stats on everything including age and race and gender of external hires, etc. Educate yourself sometime.
“ Or do they only do that to women ... since women make up more than 90% of internal mobility? Gee I wonder why.”
Conspiracy much?
Yes, of course. I was pi---d I had to stay since he sabotaged my transfer. A year later I found opportunity to transfer again to another different job and this time another different hiring manager did not listen to then my current manager and did not care if he po him off by hiring me away so I got the new job. He could not manipulate the new hiring manager this time and had to let me go after a maximum of 30 days. I looked even more attractive to the new hiring manager because the current manager was dependent on me. Sure enough, eventually without me there my old manager had to step down from management position to a single contributor. I went on and did a great job for the new manager. This was all at SAS.
People get stopped from changing jobs all the time. they aren't supposed, but it happens. It could happen to you. You could also be forced to do both jobs for some time, I know people who had to do both jobs for 3 months.
Now for the $64,000 question - are you early career? And if not, were you told you had to drop down 1-2 levels in seniority and/or take a pay cut?
Or do they only do that to women ... since women make up more than 90% of internal mobility? Gee I wonder why.
How did you react to getting the offer pulled? Surely your manager had to realize you'd be pi---d and likely look elsewhere
Yes, Yes, and Yes.
Hopefully your current manager is a decent person and will not stand in your way.
I once had a manager that stopped me from leaving by telling the hiring manager not to hire me because I was too valuable to him to lose. The hiring manager listened to him and withdrew the offer. If your current manager is a good person, he will let you go and only keep you for a max of 30 days. Good luck!
- Y
- Maybe, but not likely unless you are _critical_ to the success of your current team’s success objectives
- See 2.