Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

This guy gets it. Of the people I knew that got promoted in my GBU, 99% were cause they had ties to the people doing the hire. Of those 99%, zero had prior experience foe the role they were going to. Aside from the hilarious name changes. You would have people going into “cloud” roles who couldn’t even tell you what the cloud is. The only time I really saw anyone do anything with their career is when they got away from the GBU and oracle all together. It’s sad cause so many people legit wasted decades waiting for opportunities or training or sheesh, even a head nod saying “dude, go get a better job”. My time in the GBU was in was absolutely the worst decision I ever made in my life. You read that right. In my life. The time there detailed my learning and any path I had cause I trusted a bunch of clowns. To this day I get a few of them are like “oh our GBU is great and our shiny products are almost as good as excel!” It’s very sad. Most of them are older now. It’s kinda funny cause they still are nothing and the world doesn’t view them in any good way. I doubt their families do. Probably cheat their families out of stuff.

This guy gets it…

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@OP+1pRkQDFQ

Not surprised at all. I worked for the construction GBU, old primavera. I came there in like 2012. It set my career progression back like a decade. It was a mess having non tech people in positions that impacted tech or just people who just didn’t get it. Brutal.

I worked in a GBU for about 5 years after a successful career at a small tech company. When I got there it was just like everyone was gung Ho about a product. Then we’d buy something else and get gung ho about that. Then rinse and repeat. The management just really seemed to be on a merry go round and they had no real semblance of what they wanted to achieve. It set my career back about a decade or so before I left. Some of the people from the mgmt team I worked for are still there. When I look back, they never really ever achieved anything but putting out the same BS messaging again and again.

I spent a decade with a POS GBU run by absolute filth. This guy, albeit not talking about GBU, nails it about Oracle. The mid mgmt at my old GBU….subhuman filth. Toilet bowl material.

I was a part of one of the GBU's for some time. It was a terrible experience that left scars I am still trying to repair. It was quite honestly a pit of he-l. Oracle did layoffs when they acquired the company I was with before. I wish they laid me off. That's how bad it was. To this day I haven't ever heard one person say, "I really enjoyed my time with the XXGBU". It's the complete opposite of everything I ever saw in tech. For some odd reason, working hard just isn't appreciated in the GBU's,...but lying for your manager or cultivating a terrible culture of untrustworthy people is. I hope karma gets the people that treated others so badly...or just downright held them back and hamstringed them. People lost entire careers sticking with that sludge machine. Very sad. A greek tragedy of sorts. to this day I have PTSD from that place.

Being proud to tell anyone you’re a “managaer or director at oracle” is like being proud to say you handled accounting and records at Enron. Absolute rock bottom of skills and mgmt capabilities. And when you’re hiring your buddies, cronies, family, you look absolutely even more selfish. It happens time and time again. It’s funny cause it’s weird to see people who think they’re “leaders” or at the “top” of some tossed together GBU as being successful or having morals. Look in the mirror…you most likely got to where you are cause you said yes to anything and followed any orders. Have you done quality work? Are you worthy? Are you proud of what you’ve done at Oracle? I highly doubt it.

Don't get me wrong. It's entirely within the purview of a company to hire/fire and decide to doom a product or line of business. That said...

It's a special note when a certain exec comes in, touts his "transformations", his buddies win and another line of business, lose top staff everyone overnight. How long before the product suffers?

Confidential to the F5 guy: this was better than F5? Welcome to the party, dude.

I was one of those RIF'd last thursday.
I do not share the opinion of most of these comments - my managers were awesome, I loved my job, and it was cutting edge stuff.
My managers, from the VP of my division down, were handed a list of names.
They were given no latitude, no options - "Let these people go" - that was their option.
Not one of them is happy about it, and now they are also in fear for their own jobs.
Yes, including the VP.
It appears to some of us (including my former managers, up to and including the VP), that the upper-level management is actively trying to set this particular GBU, at least, up for failure.

No person in management at any other company would dare write a post as
Post ID: @3ygq+1pDgJ1RW did during employee layoffs. This person has no ethics or professionalism. Truly unacceptable and his post would be grounds for termination anywhere else.

I am sorry for all that lost their jobs and I pray that each of you will land on your feet, get the much deserved positions with companies that appreciate their employees.

Oracle promotes the wrong people that sadly, are incompetent which has led to much corruption. They are responsible for Oracle’s decline. Which is evident by laying off the smart, hardworking individuals that will be of great benefit to Oracle’s competitors.

I worked for the Primavera GBU. Construction and engineering. I had tons of exp at another company and came into the GBU. It was absolutely laughable. The mgmt. My Lord. They are useless and have no relevant skills. I didn't really realize the GBU model, but your skills are absolutely what others have said, "stale" and that's why I never saw any managers or directors leave. They wouldn't be in mgmt at other tech companies. It's sad, cause the people pushing the product/code/dev/app/support....they invest so much time only to realize they've basically wasted their time. As others have said...ERP, finance, SCM, those are what Oracle makes money off of. Only a dope is still buying products from the GBU or they're just locked into these tools and realize not only are the GBU tools old; the people at their company using them could def not learn anything new. that guy who ran the GBU's. Mike or something. He was like a cyborg. No personality. No way to relate with the worker bees. so weird. haha

It is time for LE to rinse, repeat his 1990 business model & replace mgmt.

"GBU Layoffs"

Nobody and I mean nobody should be surprised by this. Standard Oracle business model, rinse, repeat.

The thing I like around here is all those who have been laid off come together to criticize the very organization that they worked for decades and didn't have neither the skill nor the will to quit until they were asked to go. They talk about managers, senior managers, VP, EVP like they were there sitting with them knowing who took what decision on what grounds. For them anybody who could climb up the ladder is a bootlicker and stale while the one who stayed at the bottom for decades and then RIFed was the champ. Save your rants for a while, you will find another chance to repeat the song.

You know what I love about this thread? It’s the complete and honest truth about the GBU’s and there isn’t one single thing those sludge managers can do. I pray the filth read these posts. I pray they look in the mirror and look at their sludge children and say “wow, I really am a terrible human….look at how many people I’ve hurt.” Karma train will come for you. I promise. I don’t wish ill will on people but you can t absolve yourself of your actions and you knew what you were doing. Don’t give me the “I was just following orders”. That’s what Goebbels said.

I can tell that we all definitely worked in the GBU’s. That last comment is so on point about my GBU. The mgmt and some senior managers have either been with their product or GBU for 10-30 years; they are so stale and clueless or just cashing checks. That last comment so resonated with me. They don’t even know what good is. There are literally hordes of GBU mgmt that are so far gone or have spent their entire career on one archaic not needed produxt their resumes are useless. Their skills are as relevant as AOL. I have zero pity on them cause they used so many. Lied so much. Some just terrible human beings. That’s what gets me. These people lied for so long or just were out and out trash. The guy I worked for was as useful as an empty roll of paper towels. What was worse about him was he wouldn’t acknowledge talented people who weren’t yes men or women or if you were critical of the org or GBU mgmt. looking back literally ruined so many careers and was just all about himself. Total loser.

The truly sad part, for Oracle, is that all the people "safe" in this RIF situations, have been inside so long and haven't worked anywhere else since. This results in a complete lack of understanding of what "good" looks like.

If you haven't been outside of Oracle in numerous years (looking at all the 20+ year dinosaurs), you'll just keep producing consistent garbage. This week's RIF in many situations solidifies this, with the forced departure of many staffers who were advocates for change. Sad that they were making others work and produce cutting edge tech.

To the overloads of E&W, a special "bless your heart", your boys club friends only situation will end at some point. Long live C&E!

“ According to the talent matrix and performance ratings, a certain percentage of employees are at risk of being laid off or terminated irrespective of your role/level. So continuous high performance is the key to stay. “

(Mis)management at work. Immune to ‘high performance’ criteria.

According to the talent matrix and performance ratings, a certain percentage of employees are at risk of being laid off or terminated irrespective of your role/level. So continuous high performance is the key to stay.

I can def tell we all came in contact with some absolute filth of management. Don’t get me wrong. Some mgmt are just completely horrible people but the thing about GBU mgmt was that they’re usually completely incompetent and POS. I still laugh when I see their vague mgmt titles and roles they give themselves. Few I know weren’t fit to manage a 7-11. Lots of yes men and women. To say they “work in tech” was the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.

Oracle sure does by some terrible products that come with terrible people.

she didn't care AT ALL about employee growth, employee goals, or employees in general.

This was true of all managers I worked with. They truly did not care about their employees in any way. That included the upper management also, the managers of the managers I worked for. They all work the same way and for the same results, money for themselves. Sc--w the employees that do the actual work, that's the way they think.

The real mismanagement comes from the top. No one at the top is watching what the management does at Oracle. Management is treated like some kind of royalty-club, where they can get away with anything they can think up. The company has gone down the tubes because of that. It would be interesting to see how much money Oracle actually wastes on incompetent management, stacks and stacks of them, most of them doing nothing really for the company.

I've concluded that we are no longer a software development company, we are an investment fund that buys technology companies and hobbles them together. it's easier and cheaper to buy other companies than it is to internally grow and develop our own vision. That's why "no focals" always comes back to to their market analysis; what they're saying is that it's cheaper to buy somebody else's problem than it is to develop our own employees. Another reminder that in an economy of 5% inflation, no pay raise is the same as a 5% pay cut.

(Mis)management sludge will be flushed out.

If they need to cut jobs, then there is fat to be cut across the (mis)management sludge.

that's very sad. what's more sad is they probably gave a lot of their heart and soul working on applications that are either so old, not needed, or so niche, that finding jobs after that will be hard. I wish I could go back in time and ask some of the people in the GBU I worked at. Like "do you even know what xyz is or do you just know this piece of software you keep trying to force people to buy" I wish I knew what the real deal was with the GBU. Those niche pieces of software, it is hard to get a job with that niche software exp. Granted, developing it, coding it, strategy, project mgt of implementing or what have you, can transition. There are a ton of GBU mgmt that coud never get legit tech jobs after GBU life. I realized that like 10 years into my journey. It's sad....they really brainwash you to come along on some great journey. Woman who ran our GBU. Every stinking year. it was "oh, we just acquired manure.....manure is going to be our leading product...." then she would flood the ranks with their people. then manure wouldn't do anything and the people would still just be hanging around. then every year...it was another shiny toy. she was absolutely brutal. she would push a bag of bones if they acquired it. she didn't care AT ALL about employee growth, employee goals, or employees in general. When I look back now, after actually connecting with REAL technology pros from 100 or so fortune 100-500 companies, I realize her and her cronies were absolute fools. people hanging on to the past. their salaries and positions should've been cut when Oracle bought them. they stuck around for 20 more years. milking money out of oracle that could've been used for raises and employee development or even an occassional raise. The GBU model, it can work. The GBU mgmt model....Lord. It's horrible. You DO NOT promote people who legit never grow a single person. RIP GBUs