Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Ways of removing an employee in Oracle.

Effectively, practically speaking, there are only two ways of removing an employee. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

One is performance based. In this method, the employee has to be given a formal warning via HR, put in a Performance Improvement plan, and even after that if there is no improvement, it has to be proven conclusively to the employee and then removal happens.

The other is RIF when the powers that be determine who gets removed based on an Excel sheet generated by Ops Analysts. In this type of removal, most times, even the manager is not aware of whats about to happen until a few hours, at most a day before the meeting.

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Post ID: @3trl+1miCRAId

Crazy question here

If you truly are the worst performer, why would you get a lawyer? Why not take the severance and move along?

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Post ID: @wcu+1miCRAId

Effectively and practically speaking, sort of. With a PIP (performance improvement plan), Oracle HR manages the PIP with the manager. With a PIP, the damage to the manager is something to consider, in that during the PIP, Oracle will look to see what blame can be given to the manager’s failing the employee. No matter how poor the performance of the employee is, usually the employee will tell HR all sorts of things in how they tried to do their job, and that Oracle and the manager set them up for failure. The damage to the manager’s reputation results as Oracle HR will research the claims of the person on the PIP. Oracle HR will then go to all the team members under that manager and in “Good faith” look into the claims. This effectively destroys the manager’s reputation and career. When Oracle HR pries around, they want to confirm as much as possible, and they really sc--w things up as they even investigate wild-crazy claims and those team members under the manager get to hear about those claims in a kind of crazy bias the manager will never get over. Oracle HR during the PIP also weighs the risk of a lawsuit and tries to gauge if the PIP employee will sue, and if they have a case. Most managers who go through a PIP won’t do it again because of the collateral damage for doing it the “right way”. As a result, most managers will let a poor performer “do their thing” and make sure the poor performer ends up on the RIF list because of “restructuring” or other made-up reasons. That way, Oracle can claim there is no discrimination and the person being laid can be fooled into thinking it was “random”. Believe me, it’s not. If you are laid off, and your group or unit remains pretty much intact except for YOU, then maybe you should go and get an attorney and see how that goes. So, a PIP is technically a way to “manage a bad employee out of the organization” however, its not the best way for a manager to do the right thing.

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Post ID: @dcz+1miCRAId

I saw an excel sheet floating well in advance even if rif is not planned. Just to find weak links. The last person in that list is first to go

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Post ID: @alv+1miCRAId

in the august RIF yes mgrs gave input on who to rif

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Post ID: @quk+1miCRAId

As a manger having been through many Oracle RIF’s I have always been given a list the day of and was not involved in the selection process at all!

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Post ID: @xtp+1miCRAId

For the layoffs in august I think managers were asked to evaluate their employees to determine who was capable of what to see where the weakest links were, and that was taken into consideration. But based on what I heard from several managers at that point, they were not aware of the layoffs happening until a few hours/days before.

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Post ID: @lxt+1miCRAId

Manager clearly knows who is going to be rifed if there will be one based on the list prepared. But they will not know when its going to happen until the top and hr instruct them to do.

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