I am a solution engineer for Oracle Cloud. I have been at Oracle 15 months. I really wanted to stay at Oracle for at least another 15 months, but the layoffs have been constant since August. I got an outside offer for a large startup for double the pay, however the hiring manager who I would be working for is a jerk. My current manager at Oracle is fantastic and I have great relationships with my coworkers and my skip’s boss as well. What should I do?
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I say, take the job, hang in there for a year and then look again. You will get more experience and have a better chance at other jobs by moving out of Oracle.
LOL - exactly. OP can take a job elsewhere as a "solution engineer". 🤣🤣🤣
I say, take the job, hang in there for a year and then look again. You will get more experience and have a better chance at other jobs by moving out of Oracle.
Bad bosses make life he-l, no matter how much you make.
Are the Sunday Scaries worth a bigger paycheck?
"I am a solution engineer" <----- loser
Ohhhh, gotcha! You're a Sales Engineer. In other words, you don't actually "engineer" anything! You just try to talk the customer into buying OCI services by counting cores, memory, storage, and network capacity.
Once again, and just out of curiosity mind you, how often do your customers actually buy these services? Or are they the usual "engineered" deals, e.g., where you try to convince the customers to use the cloud credits they already received when they bought something they really wanted, like SAAS, or some other actual solution?
It’s another word for outside sales.. The grass is sometimes greener, you do you..
This question above is unnecessarily sarcastic:
What, exactly, is a "solution engineer"?
What kind of "solutions" do you "engineer"?
Typically a solution engineer is the one who understands the customer's goals, priorities, and current technical footprint and helps the sales reps propose solutions. In other words, a customer facing engineer who drives the revenue that pays all of us.
Bad bosses make life he-l, no matter how much you make. It’s truly not worth it. And a start up on top of it? Nope, IMO. Keep that resume up to date and keep looking. Start an emergency fund if you haven’t already. Understand how your department is doing, and also understand that it doesn’t matter how hard you are working if your job code or position is eliminated. There are good bosses ( I actually have a great one) at Oracle, and departments that are not as vulnerable as others, BUT there are consolidations, “streamlining” and reorganizations that will be happening in the next couple of months-they always do this time of year, and this year will be no different. Trust me. Oh, and as to asking for more money, probably not going to happen, HQ is pretty much handcuffing managers on that. Instead you will be on the chopping block next round as they will see you as gone anyways. Don’t put yourself in that position without a watertight escape hatch. Good luck.
He had his camera off and I had mine on and had the audacity to tell me I am shy when I am anything but.
He sounds like a prize. I would have passed just based on his behavior alone.
Don't feel bad though. I nearly got into a fight during one interview. I almost lost it, but kept myself under control. Obnoxious doesn't begin to describe it.
Don’t be a jerk about the job title. They are created by HR consultants anyway. The person works with Oracle tech for internal and or external customers. Another drone in the Oracle hive. Good enough.
Keep looking. You now know what you’re worth!
I took a similar job with a big raise and ki-ler product but my boss became unbearable. I thought I could manage him up but was not successful. Made my life he-l. So don’t do it.
Solutions engineer in which org? OCI? Cerner? Or are you in some GBU? While no one can be deemed as safe from RIFs, the growth of the business you're currently in matters. If you're in a growing part of Oracle then the risk of a RIF is lower, in case you decide to stay.
Lol all Oracle Cloud Solutions.
https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/home.htm
What, exactly, is a "solution engineer"?
What kind of "solutions" do you "engineer"?
Should I still leverage it at Oracle if I don’t want to jump? My performance at O has been stellar but I know it is a rough time.
manager is important - if you will not be happy the money will not matter and you'll eventually get stressed out- find another job that pays as well and jump
He had his camera off and I had mine on and had the audacity to tell me I am shy when I am anything but. He also gave me the d-mbest riddle of all time. He was also not on the final round interview and let his team decide whether to hire me or not.
Depends on what the word 'jerk' means in this context. Do they just speak up and tell it like it is so they have developed this reputation, however they are effective in supporting an environment of autonomy and creativity? I might consider the move while weighing the risk of the startup failing. Does jerk mean they micromanage the heck out of their team and/or have a passive aggressive mentality and you never know what they think? Hard pass. That's a miserable situation from experience. Ill take someone who tells it like it is and maybe has a less than desirable personality over the latter. The startup is a whole other risk, but O is so toxic the risk may reap rewards IMO. Have an emergency fund for sure whatever decision you make.
Go and don’t look back. Even if the startup fails you won’t be here anymore.
Is the startup stable and will it survive in the current economy ?
If yes, jump, else stay. I have friends who jumped and then got layoff in months after joining a small firm without any severance.
Not that Oracle won't layoff anyone (yes, it will and it does), but it is "relatively" safer in some sense.
I am relatively new to Oracle. Everyone said the skills you gained in Oracle mean nothing bah bah bah, however, I still see lots of jobs hiring for Oracle skills from LinkedIn and Glassdoor, so tell me otherwise.
Jump. There is no benefit in stating, unless Oracle can match your new offer pay increase.
If you love Oracle, maybe negotiate with your boss for RSU, because Safra isn’t going to give you a pay raise. That’s the way it is.
Everyone has. Even singing the song of on-premise going away since Larry pivoted, but the problem is that’s were the actual revenue is coming from.
Rule number one, don’t sc--w with your large elephant customers.
Bye.
I think you should stick it out because from what I’m hearing oracle will be investing everything into cloud space. OnPrem license is on its way out.
I would say keep looking. Double the pay won't mean much if you are working 99 hours a week and are totally miserable working for somebody you despise. If you think you have a good thing, stay with it for now but keep looking.
You can be a very effective manager without being a jerk.