https://spectrum.ieee.org/h-1b-visa-us-government
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@1nb Pro tip: opinions are not the same as facts, handy to keep that in mind. Unoriginal, regurgitated, fluff from the extreme right wing echo chamber simply doesn’t cut it in the real world.
@bp
Ford decided to help the workers for business reasons becuase there were not enough workers not because he was a great guy. He was not actually a great guy, research his history. Rockerfeller was also a tyrant and a ruthless businessman.
Both of them became philantropic after they had made millions or billions in todays money.
@bc
I beleive all H1-B visas that are currently in process and waiting on green cards or US citizenship. If the US administration is serious about deporting the "immigrants" then start deporting the H1-B visas when their 2 terms are over and do not allow green cards or US citizenship to be processed.
@a1
I believe both issues need to be pursued, but neither will be addressed because the US government supports business profits not the employment of our own citizens. The direction from the US government will be to continue to move job positions overseas.
@1e4
Wow, you are very disgruntled with the USA. Sorry to hear the US policies by the current administration are harming you but I understand why you express your viewpoint.
@1kn, so you agree and have no valid rebuttal, then. Great!
@1e8 Just curious, what is the color of the sky on your planet?
When I don't have a rebuttal against a statement of truth, I also look for spelling and grammar errors as a diversion, so I see where you're coming from, lol.
Yeah the evidence is very “discreet”
You don’t see a more isolated America? You don’t see rising debts?
You don’t see racism rise ? Led by a racist-in-chief?
Maybe it is you who lacks substance …
@1a0
What substance…
Yes autocorrect placed “us” instead of “US”, sorry about that.
Any comment on the substance?
What's "us" - lower case? You and your friends?
It's certainly not the way that most businesses in the United States operate or their characteristics and policies. Maybe you've been drinking the koolaid too long over at CVX or you're a misguided foreigner.
With US effectively disowning alliances this is an opportunity for India.
Europe is more willing to transfer technology and produce in India (to achieve economy of scale)
oil dependent Asian counties will need to combine their talents and pivot away from us dependence.
a more inward looking and racist us will accelerate the downward spiral.
@19d This is where US government needs to get involved!
@gy then Chevon should NOT be getting EXPONENTIAL profits, EXPONENTIAL tax breaks and EXPONENTIAL political goodwill and support from the USA!
@ws with the geopolitical downgrade to India to prevent another china that can challenge us, corporations should follow geopolitical strategies eventually. Exploring a resource in any other country requires a quota, Azerbaijan needs 95% of employees to be local, same from r Middle East countries, UT has 90% seats for Texans. Chevron should follow us strategic cues and dismantle ENGINE. While corruption, lack of civic sense, civic duty and getting by is the culture, our blind trust will only hurt our country in the long run. In IT Indians now think the world cannot run without them. Offshoring of jobs brought them there, if true. Do we really want a world where India controls energy geopolitics by manpower strength? That’s where chevron is repeating the mistakes of what USA did with china.
@OP US needs to implement policies that incentivize employing US workers. India has policies preventing US companies from laying them off. Where’s the US equivalent?
@et it actually was 😂
@gy CVX has had executives from outside the US - a prior CEO from Ireland, a vice-chairman from Scotland, and seems likely the next CEO will be from Northern Ireland.
@gr There are competent technical people worldwide. U.S. EXECUTIVES are simply not entitled to these positions, especially at their exponential cost. Their jobs as well should be accessible worldwide to benefit the shareholders for which are worshipped. Outsource executive positions!!!
@b8 There is no law stating that the executives and board HAVE to give everything to the shareholders. Look it up thats false
@gr
What you are forgetting is the wholesale replacement of the U.S. workforce last year. A gradual ramp up could have been implemented and would have been much easier deploy over time. What we have now is chaos with people in the new job roles and they get work completed.
Chevron is lucky the Engine implementation is occurring during a year of record profits otherwise it would be much more visible that it is not working smoothly.
@gk There are competent technical people in many countries around the world, not only in the US. Americans are simply not entitled to these positions, especially at many times the cost. CVX is a large global company, not a small independent based in the Gulf Coast, and it should access the talent available even if it is overseas.
@ey you want to talk about false narratives? I'll start tearing apart your false narratives.
Fives wrongs ("XOM, Shell, BP, Total, Saudi Aramco" dont make a right. Thats a logical fallacy. If you had five friends commit mu---r, would that make it right if you do? This worsens the situation, because now theres less to move around if you lose your job. 😞
"CVX has had business centers for decades in Manila and Buenos Aires" -- you mean when there was a balance? Apples to oranges! Now is vastly different. The bias to hire overseas amplified to the point opportunities dried up in the u.s. and future employment is very uncertain. If cut at CVX, you already explained employees cant work at a competitors, because theyre also shutting out the u.s. employee.
"It is a judgement by senior management that the jobs assigned to Engine can be done there and there is sufficient technical talent available." -- of course they do. They benefit personally by sla-ghtering u.s. jobs. Greed it good! Help them afford 5 lambos instead of 3.
@br
And what is really amusing about Indian people is their severe racism within their own culture and against white Americans. They believe every white American has life so easy when I worked while going to college to get an education. Now I have a good job but no one provided an easy life for for me. I had a middle eastern manager in my past that told me all white American men have life do easy. I just laughed and said, tell that to my unemployed mother when my dad died when I was 4 years old. A$$ hole!!!
@b8
FU, you are obviously not negatively impacted by the outsourcing or offshoring of jobs. Either you are Sr mgmt or you work for a MSP.
When the U.S. corporations outsource high paid jobs to foreign countries there will no longer be anyone who can buy worthless things on Amazon and pay income taxes.
@br Which company did you join?
If you don’t want foreign workers, don’t do any business in foreign countries.
… oh also please don’t bo-b, invade and ki-l at the smallest pretext
@ej It is a false narrative to imply having an overseas technical or business center is somehow immoral or shameful. CVX has had business centers for decades in Manila and Buenos Aires. Nearly every oil major - XOM, Shell, BP, Total, Saudi Aramco - have technical centers in India, to say nothing about every major Tech company. It is a judgement by senior management that the jobs assigned to Engine can be done there and there is sufficient technical talent available. It is a fair question as to whether it will be successful, or a wise business decision.
The entire concept of ENGINE is ridiculous. There are already companies in India that will crank out FE drawings (and even remotely PLC program) all day for pennies on the dollar. Why we built a BU and built in all of our Chevron bureaucracy into it is well….was probably recommended by an Indian.
@b8 whereas I agree that publicly traded companies have a duty to maximize shareholder returns, I think there need to be guardrails. Do it safely. Do it in accordance with the law. Don’t do anything on behalf of the company that you would be ashamed to do on your own. That last one is where ENGINE falls. Outsourcing our core competencies to a country that has minimal experience in our industry, for the sole motive of paying lower salaries. If this is okay, where will it end? I’m saying this as someone imminently retiring and positioned to profit from CVX gains. But even the best, most profitable companies need a conscience.
@cg Ah yes, all those deep personal conversations with ex-coworkers you are having. Houston is he-l on earth, stop coping.
@c0
Yeah, no one I know in the SF BayArea who took the package last year feels better off financially for it… Humiliated and discarded, perhaps; thankful for a bridge funding to their next job or perhaps retirement…but anyway…
A lot of cool stories on here that you can tell are made up. That's what's nice about being an anonymous poster. Keep up the fiction guys, it's entertaining!
I was lucky and stayed in bay area and joined a mega tech company (much larger market cap than chevron). I told my wife “I am only white guy here” and she didnt believe me until I took her to cafeteria one day. Some new hires out of college joined but I havent seen them in months. Everything is true about Indians and their nepotism and poor work, but there is also something to be said about an immigrant mind set.
@b8 Powerful companies has historically given back to the community.
Henry Ford helped normalize shorter working hours and better industrial compensation. He wasnt required to. He did it, because he wanted to give back to the community.
Rockefeller established philanthropy. He didnt have to. He just wanted to give back to the community.
A basic way to give back is to provide jobs. A business is not just a stock ticker and profits. Theres a private community underneath. To advocate one and deny the other is a soul-less response. I mean, if want to advocate benefiting fewer Americans in exchange for higher shareholder return, there's no better way to describe a modern day SCROOGE.
You can still have a company that benefits both shareholders and the community. Its not limited to one or the other.
@b8
Not untrue.
That being said, every business model has risks…
For example, if a host country’s government decides that they want more % of an asset than previously agreed to once it’s producing.
Or say, another host country adds additional requirements/restrictions to remain listed on NYSE… or perhaps…
The organization has a hypothetical “Mr. Guide”, who from his offsite office advises the onsite personnel that the current centralizer strategy remains sound despite changing conditions; the additional data logging for the cement test is probably unnecessary…
Anyone not intelligent enough to realize that getting rid of H1Bs will only accelerate offshoring is certainly on the chopping block.
@a4 CVX is a publicly traded company, the executives and board have a primary fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. The company does not owe anyone a job, nor are they required have it located in a preferred location, let alone a social obligation to sustain America’s middle class. For office based work that can be done anywhere, the Company considers cost as a normal part of managing the business.