How does one get promoted as a PE? How many hours do I have to put in?
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Principal DEVELOPERS
Practically speaking those at Cisco are neither.
Principal DEVELOPERS
Most PEs couldn’t carry a technical journeyman’s jo------plet alone give any sage advice or input that would resemble future state anything. It’s an insult to those that have done the work, developed the technologies, and built the company.
@q0 are you trying to get this thread shutdown? Lol
Straight white
who are those? I have not seen any of those(straight or bent:-)) for decades around me(bay area), all i see is smelly Indians.
Now it's how many DEI checkboxes you have over the others.
Straight white and Indian dudes. Both were equally bad. How is that DEI?
It used to be you had to be exceptional. Now it's how many DEI checkboxes you have over the others.
@k2 cisco's certification program is a profit center. That in of itself is a problem. A "certification" in technology shouldn't be for the profit of one company. It inherently makes the certification worthless. Combine that with an SE leader who forces everyone to have a CCNP even if they have multiple IEs in other technologies? Yeah sadly one of the industries most respected certification program is now a diluted pos.
@a4 i am working with some certified CCNP who cannot solve technical problems at CCNA level, yet very good at taking others PPTs to present at Cisco live . That CCNP diluted Cisco technical brand, and I now doubt the expertises of Cisco Live speakers.
@aa + kiss as s LinkedIn posts and attend whatever org events while the deadlines not changed for the workerbees
At companies that haven't gone full Dilbert Principle it's not a function of hours worked, it's being able to do things most will never be able to do in a career. Before massive title inflation across the industry it used to be Engineer 1, Engineer 2, and finally Senior Engineer where most engineering careers stalled if they didn't move into management.
Cisco's Principal Software Engineers had no software, systems nor unique skills you couldn't grow in more junior engineers which made them ill suited to engineering at any level.
Being slightly less bad than your peers at any real company isn't going to do it, which is why many who make this title at other companies make frequent intentional job jumps to build rare expertise that companies will pay dearly for and can't find elsewhere. If you are going to do it at one company you better be getting top opportunities to grow at a rate far greater than your peers.
This is just CX. Lot more outside of CX.
Anyone dimwitted enough to put extra hours in at this cesspool doesn't have what it takes. Do yourself a favor and give up now.
It is all about reputation and connection. Hours are irrelevant.
How many hours do I have to put in?
You need to put those hours elsewhere, like at your VP/SrDIR kid's Birthday or Half Saree Ceremony parties, etc. If you were never invited to those(for obvious reasons..), most likely you will never get to PE level.
If this is a serious post.. you can do all the work to prove you are worthy only to get told "sorry we had budget for one person this FY and it wasn't you" over and over and over and over and over. .
its a total politics show, not saying some arent technical, but many of us dont know who they are and what have they done to warrant promo to 89? Their buddies let them co present at Cisco live one time , what else? Close any big deals ? dont see them in presidents or sales choice awards, so why ? Obviously is not merit based, and notice what demographic they are, and arent.