Salesforce is doing it:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/salesforce-turns-middle-managers-into-individual-contributors-to-boost-efficiency-details-here/ar-AA19utkE
How about some directors, CMTS and senior managers inside Oracle who just do delegations even without basic understanding of technology ?
In fact managers/directors who just have offshore reports should be trimmed off.
Middle mgmt never stop criticizing LE & SC and you are correct it is their form of deflecting from their own corruption.
Truth is Mid Mgmt VPs are the corrupt mess of Oracle they need to fire all of then except the few honest ones that do exist among the thieves.
Many posting on here are advocates of human rights are work very hard to raise money to hire the best attorneys to protect all people. When is said about the source of employee abuse. Layoff.com will censor which impairs truth which is solely to help employees snd to build their self esteems that is being robbed by mid mgmt corrupt abusive VPs.
From fraudulent patents to firing the best employees so they manipulate their budgets for personal gain. It appears thaf lay-off.com is being paid off by Oracle mid mgmt most likely from the budgets they manipulated that upper mgmt must know about.
It the mid mgrs that cricize LE and SC, deflecting by placing blame on them to distract the corrupt activities at their level.
Maybe developers used to be valuable, but that's sure not the case anymore.
35 years ago that was the case, but not now. the poster is spot on. Worker bees are exactly that. Drones who build the hive, die off and are replaced with another drone. I saw this trend start in the early 90's when I bumped into and started to chat with some Microsoft developers. They told me they felt they were aging in dog years. It hasn't gotten better.
I tell young people to avoid tech It's no longer the stable, employee friendly, high paying career it used to be. Sure you'll eventually get paid well, but at what cost? If you want to be a developer apply it to other industries or do something else entirely that will pay better. Being an electrician has better long term prospects. That's not a dig on electricians. We'll be needing electrical professionals more than ever and you won't get saddled with 6 figure debt before you even have your first job.
I'm retired now and I just see an industry that is nothing like the one in which I started. I'm glad I was in it when I was, it was fun and exciting, challenging and rewarding. I see little of that now.
Whether this makes sense depends on the length of the organisations management chain. Long chains between individual contributors and the C-Suite are a strong indication of organisational disfunction and a huge red flag for me personally.
This sort of situation can arise for various reasons, one being favouritism towards certain managers by an empire builder further up the chain. This can lead to 1 or more layers of completely non-productive management who consume large salaries/stock grants etc but are very aware of the fact they don't do anything useful for the core business.
You are such a wonderful person .
Sadly you will burning yourself out
And you will feel like a commodity once everybody finds out how you have used and abused Oracle for the past years
"Developers are worth much more than a director for sure"
Maybe developers used to be valuable, but that's sure not the case anymore.
Nowadays you just burn them out and replace them like lightbulbs, only the replacement bulbs are way cheaper and even more disposable.
Bottom line, developers are a mere commodity, nothing special.
I’ve had some EXCELLENT non-technical bosses. And some truly awful technical ones. The worst of those are ones who haven’t updated skills in decades but think they still know it all.
Developers are worth much more than a director for sure.
Go get another job big guy. Do you really think anyone would hire you?
That's a strange decision by Salesforce. "I m here to lead, not to read."
how they expect Directors know how to code/develop in the first place?
Unless they are IC4 then M2, M3 then M4, if Salesforce hierarchy mirror that of ORCL. Or they paying the developer as much as a director. If not, its better to fire the director, hire more developer. or better, fire the director, take the salary and redistribute amongst the developers, with a note. "i reckon its better to pay u all more than to assign deadwood to work amongst u".
Delegators should be Fined
yeah right, and while we're at it let's eliminate world hunger and climate change
Delegators will prefer to quit and get a bigger delegator title at another company. We are just smart people who are efficient at credit from others work and pass blame .
Everyone wishes things were different at one time or another. Oracle management should be fined, or should do a better job, etc. But Oracle's management situation as it is, is never going to change. Never. At least not as long as S or L are in charge. You're talking about two narcissistic oligarchs here. So get used to it or leave. Like it or not, this is life at Oracle. Deal with it.
Great idea! At least half of them will be placed on performance plans by the end of the month.
What the whack...are u expecting junior Larry to do the real work. They only know how to take credit for others work. How to belittle others etc.