Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

I swear that most people here have never worked pre-COVID. Working from home was an exception. If COVID never happened we would be thrilled to have the ability to stay home 2 days a week.

Nobody likes RTO. We all wish that we had even more flexibility. But there is also a reality. Leadership doesn't care about your opinion. It's their call. Don't like it, leave. Just know that if you think things are better at Chase, BofA, Goldman, etc think again. You need to be looking outside of financial services if you want additional flexibility. And even then options are dwindling.

So over with the toxic culture and inconsistent RTO expectations from a mentally unstable manager. So I left. Found a better opportunity with a peer bank, full time WFH and even a promotion in salary and title. I encourage everyone struggling with RTO to just shut up and leave this awful bank.

Who the he-l said ‘start your own bank’ what a raging ho-------l.

@1upl+1lqr9Jy8

I'll tell you why. It's simple. They want you to quit so they can replace you with someone overseas, a contractor, or a person that is in line with their location strategy. So, they torment you with stupid directives that do nothing but offend your sensibilities, with the hope that you'll eventually be exhausted of suffering the indignities and just quit.

That's it. It's the only reason. Charlie hates you and wants you gone. You're in good company though, if that POS wants you gone you're probably a great employee and a great person.

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"8 is Great! It is what it is, get over it or start a new bank that sells less products!"

When the execs are doing stupid S the rest of us who give a damn about this place have a moral and professional duty to object. Sure, if you don't give an S just throw up the hands and do whatever they tell you no matter how stupid it is, but, inexplicably, I still care. Doubt it will last long, but there's still a glimmer of hope that these mo--ns in NYC will move on and the next batch can save this place before it really is over.

I understand people saying “these are the rules” but I just want to understand why. I don’t have anyone in my office and when I took this job I took it because it was WFH and this was prior to the pandemic…. Now they got rid of WFH unless you are randomly 40 miles away. Makes 0 sense because that was a personal choice to do while my job choice was to WFH. Some people also can’t just take PTO on a whim… some of us have deadlines and stuff that needs to get done so if I can still do it at home after getting in a car accident or my car dying what is the problem with that?

Beating a dead horse. It is what it is and I am getting sick of people whining about it. Leave or start your own bank with wfh for everyone.

The whole issue is that we just go into the office to sit at a desk surrounded by other empty desks and communicate by phone. I was actually talking to a co-worker on a call and was walking around the building trying to find a more quiet place to talk. There was so much background noise everywhere I went like other people talking, TVs with the sports channel on, coffee machines running, fans blowing, …. I still don’t know what the guy that sits behind me once a month does. I still don’t know when or where my one teammate works. I’ve sat by her maybe 6 times since we’ve been back. I always sit in the place. I have preferred to be in office in the past when I actually had an assigned desk and worked with people in my location. I think once a week on average is enough return to the office.

I feel like a punished 12-year old at the office.

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For thousands of us WFH IS "normal"...and we were doing it before the scamdemic.

@rns+1lqr9Jy8

It's the company that will have consequences, and 100% of the blame will rest at the feet of the hack execs in NYC.

Excuses excuses excuses. Covid is over. Everything is back to normal except the typical American office worker. Just go in the office before they ship all our jobs to India.... Be sure to stay Home during Spring and Summer breaks.... If you can't RTO, you can't go on vacation....I bet you'll find an excuse to go on vacation

Classic adult who actually makes the best of it or walks not cry like a B on an anonymous site.

Classic conservative victim mentality, my life sucks so yours should too.

Sniffle. You could always leave or better yet suck it up like the rest of us adults.

plenty of arguments for rto but like it or not we either show up or risk the consequences

@ora+1lqr9Jy8

Thanks to the flexibility of WFH I've literally never missed a day of work, for any reason. The idea that in-office work results in more reliability is laughable. It's the exact opposite. Car wrecks, illness, whatever, none of which is an issue if I'm WFH, which I was before COVID. Unless I'm dead I'll be at work. In office? No, not making any super human effort to drive in for no reason, so I'll leverage leaves as much as practical.

The sense I get from the RTO push back is that Execs made decisions/announcements on returning to the office, and then the lower down managers decided to make their own decisions on RTO which aren’t aligned to the Execs - so everyone ends up with mixed messages. How is any of this productive or helpful? Spoiler: it’s not.

In addition we’re still in a Pandemic and many markets are not the same as they were pre-pandemic. For example, finding childcare is almost impossible now versus 2019. Mass transit (in my market) isn’t even back to 2019 levels, so if my bus is canceled I’m stuck. The whole, “well you can just drive in.” is so tone deaf and extremely unhelpful.

Honestly, I’m making do and a lot of others are too. What would go a long way is some empathy from management, less treating people like a children, and some emotional intelligence.

So the bank is supposed to pay you to take care of your kid, get your car serviced, etc, etc., because PTO is only for vacations. Do I have that right?

@bas+1lqr9Jy8 For those of you that hate RTO so much its as if you are are locked into State executed employment plans and can't leave of your own accord. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not saying I like rto any more than the next person but when all is said and done, the company and your management make the rules and you either abide by them or suffer the consequences. They give us all plenty of PTO to take care of the occasional personal matter that pops up. Really no different than any other company. You either deal with it or find another role/company to work for. Or you can start your own company and set your own rules.

None of those events are excuses to not show up for work. Take PTO.

OP your post is what the bank is hoping to see more of, a certain % will get fed up and leave on their own.

WF can't offer voluntary termination packages because so many would take the deal, even those who may be content and aren't looking at this site for solidarity (haha).

It's better to keep you here, even with minimal productivity, and slow cook everything.

Why do you think WF cares about you?

For those of you who love RTO so much, it’s like the ones who hate it are telling you to get up and go drive to the stores for everything you need even though you’re already paying for Amazon prime, and prefer to use it.

as other have ready said and as I have heard from my manager and communicated to my team, if every once in a while you can't make the 3 days because of some personal issue where you are still able to work then fine, but if it is a regular occurance then either use pto or we have a problem. it is up to each group to determine how they handle these types of items, some will say too bad some will be more flexible, just like it always has been. It's sucks you are in a group that doesn't allow for much flexibility, but you have PTO for a reason and I would say WF is pretty generous with the amount of PTO they give everyone.

I understand your frustration but as someone closing in on retirement I also see how there is SO much more flexibility in the workplace overall now as opposed to the 70’s,80’s and 90’s…work and the workplace was the priority then and childcare etc was your issue to work out on your time without disrupting your set scheduled hours. Dr appointment - after work hours or PTO day. No ifs and or buts.

So while I agree after getting used to working remotely and all the flexibility it can be frustrating and annoying with the extensive tracking I also have to remember how good we still have it.

In my department, as those things were not happening on a daily or weekly basis, it would not be an issue to provide the reason why I wasn't able to come into the office. If it's happening routinely, then it would be an issue.

The problem is with people like you who have burst pipes, sick kids, cat trouble, the sniffles, etc. every other day as an excuse not to come in. All of these situations are why we have PTO and if your life is so chaotic that you can’t manage these things or they are happening daily, you need help beyond what your employer is there to provide. Grow up.

Welcome to WF, where actual work is irrelevant and takes a back seat to treating people like 2nd graders and DEI directives coming down from ivory tower execs that only hire their white friends.

Ju vill eat ze bugs and be happy 🐛😢

Car trouble - PTO
sick kids - PTO
feeling under the weather - PTO
burst pipe in your house - PTO
leadership doesn’t care - they gave you PTO

I just tell my manager what's up and h
Why I couldn't make it in. Never got any push back.