So one of my close friends is a manager and he showed me what he sees: how many days per week in the office and total hours per day in the office (badge in/out or network connection, he is not sure know how the hours are actually being tracked). Well the report is very real saw it with my own eyes.
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@15m did you mean to say "earliest badge swipe in, LAST out" instead of "earliest out"?
I was shown my report in September that was backdated to August and it had all my days in, earliest badge swipe in, earliest out, avg time of day for each, and my average hours in office over that span (it was like 4.2 or something.) It was very specific and they logged it in workday too.
As someone who has been unemployed for a long time if any of you don’t want to stay all day in office I will gladly take your job like today
Sure, but the execs don't do ANY of the work, and thanks to their stupidity the people that do are disgruntled and don't GAF. It's impossible to be successful as a business in that scenario.
@b0 I am well aware of the initial 6 hours/ 2.8 days guideline but senior management is unhappy with this is what we are being told. 6 hours a day is only 30 hours a week which barely makes full time status. If you take an hour lunch then that is 5 "productive work" hours a day. 7.5 hours per day is the minimum they are targeting.
@kv it is not about the 3 days/ 8 hours. We are mad about the CONTROL, treating us like kindergarteners. Are we not responsible adults?
Interesting!
So much investment to track and monitor, no investment in personal desks. Not likely to inspire loyalty, but then that's the point.
it's just not that hard.
go to the office 3 or more days a week. stay 8 hours.
@b4 I just saw a productivity report that counts activity as mouse clicks every minute.
@bc so if you log into cloud at the office, does that throw off their report?
FHY, today, tomorrow, and forever.
@b6 yes it is average hours
@b7 i would not risk it
Can someone please post a screenshot of report (obviously names/info redacted)?
@ak
i had an instance that showed I was not in the office 3 days one week and I reached out to everyone i could think of ... ultimately found out that because i am on Cloud PC, I apparently didn't log out of the cloud so they thought i was at home
Would you be good if you went in 6 hours then 10 another day?
Is it still an average of hours based on in office?
@b4 hypothetically, sure.
Is the actual report that you have to be with 2 levels of the operating committee to get, more detailed? Who knows.
I wish it did show a specific number.. and like a yellow, or red,or green or whatever.. either they are intentionally keeping it vague, or the system is terrible. probably the later since the 8+ had "days" not hrs in the wording.
So hypothetically, I could badge in at 9 pm, find a cozy space to sleep in for 8 hours and then go home and work from home to do my actual work? My office has a shower and a snack bar, so maybe I just never leave?
@b0 it isn't that detailed. It isn't just last badge swipe minus first,
Or network time, which ever is greater.
I saw it too. Manager shared as I am showing up as under 8.
Others at 8+.
Those are the only two options, no details at all, atleast not as of yet. What my manager didn't know, and I asked was what triggers the under 8. Is it a hard 8, like to the minute? Or under 7.5 or 7?
I have been at ~7 a day. It guess that's not good enough.
Well, if you’re a manager you would know it’s 6 hours and 2.8 days quarterly average to stay off the sh-t list.
@ae+1kbmjk4m0 That is just the excuse for mgt to find another means to fire people. Exempt is no longer exempt. The work and leadership is forcing everyone to be treated as hourly worker drones. The motivation is pure greed. For every American terminated lowers the budget and lines HY pockets.
There are manager calls going on this week to explain the reports since they are now drilling down to a weekly review level on 8 hours & 3/2 compliance.
@ab I saw the report and the one my manager shared with us showed us was dated back to August
@aj That Microsoft activity reporting is like screen time reporting for kids.
@a5
Word.
I saw it as well. Manager shared it.
@ab it tracks in real time. So it will depend on your manager how often he/she will look, and how they will use this against everyone on your team.
Who had a report where info was completely wrong? Wrong days and hours.
This has been around for a bit. How else would they enforce 8 hours per day without a report?
I’m thinking ahead and curious when they will begin using the activity reporting that’s available in Microsoft? I get a weekly report from them for my children’s laptop activity broken down by app type and time on the app. Surely that’s being used in some way here also…
RTO is over. It’s just In Office reporting. 😆
If more than 8 it just says 8+. If less it gets rather specific, like ‘5.6’ hours.
Sincerely,
Bootlicker
What a sh@tshow of a company and management that can't manage. Glad I got the fu-k out of the toxicity.
Our dept is still on a hybrid schedule but my Manager did send us all an email this week as a flex to let us know Management is actively watching our in office hours to make sure we are in compliance.
Its existed for a while for the higher ups to see which is why they've cracked down in a draconian manner. They see a whole lot of people not doing any work at all, whether at home or in the office (where most of them have rarely been). This data goes back for months so next time youre cursing WF make sure you remember its the dirt bag who coffee badged the last two years who has caused this sudden about face in your life.
That rolled out 2 weeks ago
@OP - do you know how far back this report is (RTO + 8 hour in office).
Asking for a friend
yep, it exists and now all managers have access.