Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

It was like a roundup of cattle moving through the chute. Absolutely disgusting. Yes, most tech jobs will be moving to HIH and at some point those senior managers making these decisions who think they’re immune will be in the unemployment line too. I also think DC will step down soon.

Just got my call. Me and one other on my team.

"3000k employees separated??? That is 3 million, much more employees than Cigna even has."

Pretty sure the OP meant 3000 (aka 3k). They also said 10% which would mean over 7000 employee so ???

Here's the WARN language that likely applies. I found language that implies remote workers count as their own single site but am not 100% positive of that. If it sounds difficult for Cigna to plan this out so that they stay under 500 employees laid off per site, just remember they've been planning this for a while, they know exactly how to make the numbers work.

https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/Layoff/pdfs/_EmployerWARN2003.pdf
• Lays off 500 or more workers (not counting part-time workers) at a single site of employment during a 30-day period; or lays off 50-499 workers (not counting part-time workers), and these layoffs constitute 33%
of the employer’s total active workforce (not counting part-time workers) at the single site of employment;

The term "single site of employment" may refer to:

1. A single location or a group of contiguous locations. Groups of structures that form a campus or industrial park or separate facilities across

the street from one another may be considered a single site of employment. Also, several single sites of employment may exist within a single
building if separate employers conduct activities within the building;
AGLOSSARY OF WARN TERMS (continued)
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2. Separate buildings or areas within reasonable geographic proximity

and share staff and equipment; or

3. For workers who primarily travel:

• a home base from which work is assigned; or
• a home base to which workers report when:

• a worker’s primary duties require travel from point to point;
• the worker’s duties are outstationed; and
• the worker’s primary duties are outside any of the employer’s regular employment sites.

I am told some contractors were let go.

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"Coaches" as in Health Coaches?

3000k employees separated??? That is 3 million, much more employees than Cigna even has.

WARN only applies to mass layoffs. For an employer of cigna’s size, that’s 500 employees laid off within 30 days. Cigna hasn’t hit that definition yet.

Coaches just got informed of a meeting with the directors on 4/3. The last time a meeting was called the day before was when they informed everyone about imminent layoffs.

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I wonder if this is part of the reason for the RTO mandate. More control over employee locations to avoid triggering WARN

They get around WARN by being strategic about the size and locations of the layoffs which is why they happen monthly in waves. It has been this way for the last 2 years, at least.

Maybe because many are in different states, and many are contractors and they layoff monthly.

If this many, how do they get around WARN?

Because it’s all talk, they will say on the 3rd that it was pushed until may as they do every month

So if April 3 is the day. Then why not share the departments? Who will be impacted?

HRA's aren't portable, HSA's are very much portable.

"To the one person who said use up your HSA for FSA, no matter what, that is your money."
The FSA funds were only available to use until the final day of my Cigna coverage, which was the Sunday after my term date. So I had less than 2 weeks to use up the money I had set aside for the full year. Same with my HRA funds. I couldn't use them all up by the last day of my coverage, so I lost them.

“Also, during this period since you are still an employee you accrue PTO time and 401k matching contributions.”

If you have a good severance package, consider contributing the all your salary (as employee) to 401k to lower your taxes, because there is no 401k deduction for severance pay

Notice date is the date you are notified of a JE, term date is your last date as an employee. You get paid for your full salary between these dates and generally don’t work. Also, during this period since you are still an employee you accrue PTO time and 401k matching contributions. Once your term date comes you are no longer an employee and whatever severance you for begins
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So what is the difference between notice date and term date? If you are given notice Thursday, but the term date is in 30 days, are you paid those 30 days (and then severance starts)?

“10% or 3000k separated”
3000k is too much. Should it be read as 3000, or 3k? 10% of total employees of entire company, or just Evernorth? Thanks for the clarification in advance.

HRAs (Health Reimbursement Arrangements) and FSAs (Flexible Spending Accounts)

HRAs are not Portable. Aka the funds do not go with yo as it is employer funded.

FSAs may have some "limited portability" based on your employers plan. Possibly your contributions will go with you but it depends on your employers rules.

HSA (Health Savings Accounts) funds stay with you as you move from job to job and can be used to pay for any eligible health care expenses at any time, but you can only contribute to an HSA if you are actively enrolled in a High Deductible Health care plan.

Yes it is an Alphabet soup that can be confusing and sometimes.

To the one person who said use up your HSA for FSA, no matter what, that is your money. You can move it to another insurance or an IFP plan. To the OP, did you really mean 30K people?

For anyone who was laid off recently, if you were non-working pay for your termination date, were you still paid?

To anyone laid off recently or in the know, is Cigna making the official termination date the day they tell you or some date in the future? Didn't some people receive official term dates 30 or 60 days into the future last year?

Recently laid off- everyone was given at least 30 days (though somewhere told they would be done the following day even with a term date 30 days out).
Depending on the role, some of my colleagues were given 60, 90 and 120. Not sure how many of us will be asked to finish out the entirety of our notification period.

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No it was a genuine request from a genuine cigna email that I confirmed by going directly to the tech center page

“Curious if that's why tech center randomly asked me to verify my device last week. Could be coincidence but they don't do that very often unless it's refresh time, which is is not”

That was a phishing attempt from Cigna IT.

Re term dates
Last year you were given a 30 day notice but you did not work the notice period.

To anyone laid off recently or in the know, is Cigna making the official termination date the day they tell you or some date in the future? Didn't some people receive official term dates 30 or 60 days into the future last year?

Use up all your HRA and FSA money too! My sev effective date was early January, so I didn't have much time. I went and purchased the most expensive FSA-eligible items I could, to use the funds quickly.

Honestly as long as companies can get employees cheaper overseas with no financial consequences they will do that. We have been increasingly doing it for years. We may end up with a worse product but since insurance is tied to people's employment it's not like they can look elsewhere so it's win win for Cigna. The current administration has shown a lot of interest in making it hard to send jobs out of America and likely will at some point here but even once they do that you still have AI coming on fast. Within 3 years our call centers, claims workers, etc will likely be majority AI and not just here but in most places.

You are limited in what you can do to protect your job here. Be the best you can in your role, be someone who people enjoy working with and more likely than not you will be one of the last they would let go...but... ultimately you need to be doing everything you can to sharpen your skills for what may be next. Do not wait until your back is against the wall to start trying to learn something that can help your career. Do it now before it's an emergency.

If you are unsure where to even start I've hired a lot of people here and know what skills are sought in the market and am happy to help.

Curious if that's why tech center randomly asked me to verify my device last week. Could be coincidence but they don't do that very often unless it's refresh time, which is is not

Someone I worked with every week was recently let go after they spent the past couple months training their HIH coworker, assuming they were a helping hand. Now it takes me double the amount of effort working with this team due to the inability to understand simple requests and the quality of work coming out of the team has dropped too, with spelling and grammar issues doubling.

The whole point of HIH is to replace “expensive” USA based workers and contractors with “cheaper” direct FTEs in India. Our organization has been steadily staffing HIH and ending contracts and laying off US based employees. But they aren’t hiring the best and brightest at HIH and in a few years things will likely be such a mess that they bring those jobs back home. Isn’t the first time this strategy has been tried, and it won’t be the first time it failed either.

I am the @ay+1jqmqz4m8 poster again. Read the OP post again and realized they could most likely be FTE given the IRIS mention . But still curious why are they getting replaced by HIH worker. I kinda know it was coming some day but is it happening already ?

Sorry OP! But isn’t HIH like a slow poison ? How did you end up on the list ? Are you a FT or contractor ? Was an HIH worker hired in your team and then you were told to go? Also can you please tell us if it affects Data and Analytics engineering? I am in DAE but only contractors were let go or shuffled . I am FTE and thought I shouldn’t be too worried (I know wishful thinking).

You were told before 4/3?

Much appreciated for writing this up even though you’re on the list. Everyone should be aware and prepared, not be shocked, or panic when it really happens.

Also, don’t rush into buying cobra. You can get it retroactively within 90 days if needed.