Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Next Wave of Oracle Layoffs Likely (259 Million) in first Week of November

Best guess is Tuesday November 1st ... 1 week 2 days and 13 hours as of this post. I expect this to be at least 259 Million in packages and using first in first out, people hire recently will be the first out the door. Sorry for the new hires you wont get a package in the middle of a recession.

Sadly enough cloud world has painted the true focus of Oracle and its not OCI. It is now writing software to run in other clouds. I expect further cuts in Marketing, Sales, Customer Experience, and acquired ancient products like Oracle BRM for example. OCI has recently stopped recruiting and I would not be surprised to see major changes as Oracle has changed its tune about its own cloud.

I do believe this layoff will make the news as much as the ones this past August 2022 did. Kind a heartless right before the holidays in a recession. But, it's just business. And say what you like but the severance packages are decent.

https://www.crn.com/news/cloud/oracle-cloudworld-2022-ellison-says-an-internet-of-clouds-is-imperative

In his hour-plus-long keynote at CloudWorld 2022—held in person in Las Vegas and streamed online—LE said enterprises want an “internet of clouds” to facilitate more customer choice and prevent vendor lock-in.
He made his usual boast-that Oracle’s MySQL HeatWave offering is faster than Amazon Web Services’ Aurora. And he gave database services rival Snowflake an uncharacteristic compliment in working with multiple cloud vendors first.

My thinking is a renewed focus on database products that run in AWS, GCP, and Azure. You know the "real" cloud providers, the ones that actually own their infrastructure, unlike Oracle who only rents space from Equinix. This is the closest LE will ever come to admitting Oracle OCI is pretty much not going to become the dominant cloud provider and win the cloud wars. This is a big change from his 2016 rhetoric.

What that means for you is that new skillsets are required across the board in development and engineering. Sales, marketing, customer experience are superfluous until you have something to sell, or at least an idea and a prototype.

Oracle Cloud world is over and there is no reason to keep people around that are no longer needed.

Original posts: @OP+1iZo94uF, @OP+1iPdT0Uf and @OP+1gPG2i8V. I've been pretty close on my predictions in the past.

The Oracle 10q states

"We expect to incur the majority of the estimated remaining $519 million through the end of fiscal 2023." The total for severance was 888 million pretty close to the 1 billion rumored this summer. That means the rumors seem to be mostly true.
3 quarters remaining gives an average of 173 million per quarter. Typically Oracle doesn't like holiday layoffs... making December/ January unlikely.
A good spot for a layoff then is last month of Q2 ... last month of Q4.
That gives 2 more layoffs with an average of 259 million each with Targets of Tuesday November 1st and Tuesday May 2nd 2023.

Best of luck everyone! It's just business, and the emperor LE finally realizes that he has no clothes. That means a new commitment to software that runs in other people's clouds. I may be wrong and he really thinks that other providers will partner with Oracle and actually help pay for direct connections to his rented Equinix data centers to tap into the OCI. It's a really d-mb idea to think that but hey it hasn't stopped LE in t he past.

I hope he is thinking about rewriting Oracle software to run in other cloud like heatwave. Since it's the sole success he has seen in cloud to date.

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This was on point.

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Post ID: @amwx+1jkBKFBp

Harbinger rocks

Thank you sir

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Post ID: @3kif+1jkBKFBp

Just to be clear. I predict the majority of the layoffs to occur now... closer to 500 million than 259 million.

OCI, sales, marketing, CX you name it... if it costs more money than it brings in the org will be cut and scuttled over the next few weeks.

Best of luck everyone! Time to head to the life rafts and start interviewing this ship will sink fast.

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Post ID: @2hhd+1jkBKFBp

Sad to be pretty accurate, but if you are treating a business the way you'd run a high school accounting project it's pretty easy to see what's next.

The only question is will the layoffs now reach more than 259 Million. My guess is yes. They started early and hit OCI .... So now it's maintenance mode until things like exadata software can run in AWS, Azure GCP... etc..

With what looks to be 2% of the cloud market according to what I have read, it looks like OCI Gen 2 is just a money burn to be handled swiftly by accounting.

Survival is in adapting Oracle database software to run in the real clouds.

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Post ID: @2seg+1jkBKFBp

“ I am amazed by the lack of insight and business acumen on this forum… “

Case in point, the Cerner thread.

The Cerner acquisition was a brilliant strategic move. Despite the (supposed) problems, EMR is a major business opportunity, just like HCM and CRM. Expect a SaaS version soon.

Knowing LJE’s penchant for #1, I’m sure he tried to buy EPIC first, but the price was stupid high, so he settled for #2 destined to make it #1.

The only problem I see: will Oracle devote the proper resources to the job to make it #1. Or will it languish at #2 or below due to starved resources and waning interest.

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Post ID: @2rlt+1jkBKFBp

“ I am amazed by the lack of insight and business acumen on this forum… “

Case in point.

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Post ID: @2wxq+1jkBKFBp

Yup I was part of this. Not surprised at all. Anytime you hire like a drunken sailor there's always a hangover and I got to pay the price for that as well.

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Post ID: @2oqt+1jkBKFBp

I am amazed by the lack of insight and business acumen on this forum…

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Post ID: @2rwr+1jkBKFBp

https://twitter.com/TheLayoff/status/1584615546141954048

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Post ID: @2ozd+1jkBKFBp

It has started as notifications were given to RIF’d employees this morning. I don’t knowd how many are impacted.

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Post ID: @2hgs+1jkBKFBp

Fully expecting more cuts on JM's org. There's been layoffs already but you can't call it a restructure as it stands. So many have been left without management or any answers about what happens next. Sadly the most likely answer is that more will be let go.

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Post ID: @2cup+1jkBKFBp

So who is getting cut? More people on JM's team? OCI?

Taking bets...

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Post ID: @2lcc+1jkBKFBp

Oracle has 143,000 employees so letting go 20,000 would only be 13% of the work force. Seems very likely.

At 20,000 or so it would be a classic decimation. When Roman soldiers messed up they would have 10 men draw from a bag the guy who drew the black bean was stabbed to death by the other 9. Hence a decimation or 10% reduction...

If you are going for a 10% reduction in force globally it will be noticeable. Seems like it may be close to 20k.

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Post ID: @2cfm+1jkBKFBp

Packages in Europe, Australia and Canada can be significantly higher. That said, we just took on Cerner. Lots of headcount to Shed to get to our traditional, read budgeted, numbers.

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Post ID: @2vcl+1jkBKFBp

According to 10q, there are $519 million left allocated for the upcoming layoffs; let’s say the average severance package in high salary areas is $25k, it means there will be roughly 20k employees laid off in high salary areas: is it a realistic number?

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Post ID: @2yfr+1jkBKFBp

It wont be first week of November but it will be in November

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Post ID: @1ygm+1jkBKFBp

Yep, Larry has finally waved the ‘ole white flag, surrendering to the Big 3. It’s over for OCI. Oracle is going to transition to medical records management via Cerner and will pull out of cloud infrastructure for good.

For those of you still at Oracle - PLEASE do yourselves a favor and get out now. Being complacent is a career ki---r. There is absolutely no future for you at Oracle. So many companies out there to choose from for a real career and will offer you better far compensation and career advancement. Put Oracle in your rear-view mirrors ASAP.

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Post ID: @1clw+1jkBKFBp
Will gen 3 be with Amazon or Microsoft?

probably no gen 3, just Heatwave for mysql and FossilWave for Oracle

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Post ID: @1kxx+1jkBKFBp

Will gen 3 be with Amazon or Microsoft?

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Post ID: @1ptl+1jkBKFBp

Oracle is a healthcare data analytics company that also happens to be in the database, HR, supply chain, and finance businesses.

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Post ID: @tim+1jkBKFBp

Forget OCI. Running our Medical record databases on other people’s clouds is all that matters now!

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