Thread regarding Humana Inc. layoffs

Nurses are leaving jobs

I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems...

  1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even trying to stop nurses from talking about pay.
  2. Patients in COVID have become downright mean. Add this to the problems nurses have management and doctors (who are often rude and arrogant) and it's a poor culture. The quality of the environment, from a mental health standpoint, is on the decline.
  3. IT systems that they have to use were designed by people who have not talked with the workers who use them. They may have been designed with laws and compliance in mind. Nurses aren't the people who choose or pay for these systems. But, they use them a lot (maybe the most) and it's obvious they weren't taken into account when designing the UX. It's maddening for them.

This one is big for product designers. Often we listen to the people who pay for it and miss out on the people who actually have to use it.

  1. Nurses are the catch all for jobs. Not enough aides? Nurses do the work. Food service workers don't want to take food into a patients room... nurses will do it. Not only do they have higher ratios of patients but they fill in the work when other areas have shortages, too. So, the work per patient goes up. Pay doesn't go up, though.
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This post is completely off topic for a Humana lay off site. In fact, all the bad things you detailed are true but make Humana look like a gold star employer compared to the other nursing jobs out there. Perhaps that was your point?!

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Post ID: @4deu+1gsCoVKF

Ummm…where is the nursing station at your current role with Humans? This article seems to be related to hospital or nursing home type jobs, not quite the roles we have.

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Post ID: @3xay+1gsCoVKF

@1huq+1gsCoVKF. It amazes me that you consider Middle and/or upper management have the power to do anything.

Almost every act is determined at senior level. All strategy is determined at senior level and all terms and conditions of employment are determined by Senior leadership. Lawyers and compliance determine much of what happens... Outside of that all costs are pared down to provide a return for the stock market.

This gripes you have are the exact same things middle and upper management have. Your naivety or ignorance is breathtaking.

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Post ID: @2vbw+1gsCoVKF

Yes we know everybody’s leaving that is not new news. Do you have any helpful information about layoffs at Humana? That’s what we’re interested in. Please don’t waste our time. We are very busy

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Post ID: @1naj+1gsCoVKF

@1huq+1gsCoVKF — Well said. I agree with you.

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Post ID: @1krr+1gsCoVKF

Here is the piece on 90% of nurses on tge edge of quitting:

https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/report-90-nurses-considering-leaving-profession-next-year

Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

Does that stat catch your attention? Good. Shawn Sefton, RN, talks about the results of a new survey of RNs, the key problems it identified – and how technology can help lessen burnout.

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Post ID: @1ntx+1gsCoVKF

Leaving? Is this a shock?

  • Demanding work: 12 hour shifts, irregular schedules, night shifts, physically exhausting, limited breaks (including bathroom/water!)
  • High responsibility with unsafe conditions. You're literally responsible for people's lives. Poor staffing ratios stretch you thin and make you more likely to make mistakes. And if you make a mistake, you're at huge risk for litigation... and now criminal consequences too. Responsibilities, resources, and staffing stretched even thinner due to the pandemic.
  • Administration that treats you as something to be optimized and does the absolute bare minimum to support you. Instead they tack on additional tasks, expectations, and requirements ("no water at a nurse's station!"). They encourage a culture where nurses provide a concierge service to 'guests' instead of critical care to patients.
  • Hostile/entitled patients. I'd guess many/most patients are not an issue, but it only takes a couple of difficult/combative patients to really ruin your conditions.
  • Low pay given the responsibility and working conditions for non-travel nurses. https://nurseslabs.com/nurse-salary/#nurse_salaries_by_state Like many others pointed out here, in tech I make way more than a nurse for a job that's less demanding, has far lower stakes, and is of far less value to society.

To me the blame lies mainly in middle/upper management, whose role is to build and empower an effective workforce. If 90% of your workers are considering leaving, you blew it.

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Post ID: @1huq+1gsCoVKF

Wow thank you. We needed a 'product designer' to tell us this. I am sure that all of us nurses will be amazed at your insight. Of course while we were in college learning how to be the handmaidens of Dr's the realities of life passed us by. Thank you for bringing us up to speed.

RN, BSN, MSN

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Post ID: @1lgm+1gsCoVKF

The average age of an RN is 55. I think many younger people Saw the writing on the wall early on and did not go into nursing or left the field.

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Post ID: @ese+1gsCoVKF

I have worked with the computer program EPIC and it is wonderful. All of the hospitals in my area use EPIC.Makes charting so much easier and easy to access medical information for each patient while you’re taking care of them. They hire a lot of nurses to Implement their systems. Wonderful company if you can get a job with them go for it. They only employ the best of the best in and out of the medical field.

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