My current Wells Fargo Manager does not have a college degree or Masters degree. However he continues to provide negative performance reviews for me when I do have a college degree with so many qualifications for my current job that he does not actually have in any way possible. My Manager, who writes my performance reviews, has absolutely no qualifications to perform my job function that is very technical, yet gets away with ranking on me with negative reviews when he really does not have a clue what the technical job actually involves. What shall I do about this situation? Why are there Managers at Wells Fargo who do not even have a college degree? How can they be qualified to give performance reviews to their technical employees who do hold college degrees and master degrees? Why are they not gone from the company? Not qualified for their job.
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Post ID: @myu+1gYbEGaw
Yes, I started in technology through an apprenticeship (telecommunications) and made some good/lucky choices as I moved up through the ranks in different financial services companies into management. I didn't like management so I went back to being a sole contributor and now I earn a very nice living in a senior technology role. Not sure where your strawman comments come from but I'd beg to differ.
@fdu+1gYbEGaw What happens at Wells is managers are moved from group to group to fill slots. The feeling is that it doesn’t matter if they know what the people they manage do, if they can manage here they can manage there.
Of course having a manager who has no idea what you do does nothing to build respect or confidence in management, but nobody cares what you think.
I have worked in various capacities in the IT world as well as now being employed with Wells - non-IT. It is not uncommon to find an IT supervisor or manager who does not know what the IT person does. Where I have seen this it usually occurs because a good supervisor or manager is not available amongst the current staff. Or no one wants to move into that role.
Whoever told you getting a degree meant you were entitled to skate through the rest of your life lied.
@hxg+1gYbEGaw really, because it was awfully snarky. People who work in banks aren't sh-t. You can be replaced by a foreign worker with fake diplomas who are willing to make 1/10 your salary. That electrician, plumber, welder etc. that you look down your nose at will still be working while you are in the unemployment line begging for gov't to pay off your student loan. If you were worth a damn, you would have already left and got a job where your special talents would be appreciated. But let's be real here. You are one of 100,000 people who have the same qualifications on paper. You're nothing special, just another body to fill a role. Contrary to your belief in your excellence, when you're gone, either voluntarily or laid off this summer, WF will keep rolling without a hiccup.
If you read up on some multi millionaires and billionaires, some of them were college dropouts. There are people who are out on the streets that have masters degrees. Life gives you what you give it. If you go to college and then expect a free ride in the workplace, forget it. It is the person who excels or fails, not the degree. Produce or perish.
@uab+1gYbEGaw WF pays interns $20-$30/ hr depending on market. Our group snatched up as many interns as the program will give us. They are paid for centrally and the kids that we’ve gotten in the past have been great! One automated a process the team was spending 10-15 hours a week on. Now we spend less than an hour making sure the automation ran and spot checking results.
We love having the interns because they can tackle the things you would get to if you had time that can save time. We’ve definitely gotten way more than our money’s worth having interns even though you need to invest in their training and oversight for the 10 weeks they’re here.
@wkh Do you realize every other country that educates its residents gives them actual, work-relevant internship experience? They graduate with experience, not just a piece of paper.
In the US we don't train interns because that means we'd have to pay them for doing compensation-worthy work. US corporations don't like to pay interns.
Even with a master degree,
Chinese H1-B with as little as 0-5 years of experience are paid higher than American with 10+ years of experience.
We are so busy fighting ourselves, other countries eat our lunch
WF was supposed to start requiring a degree, but since they are so substandard and pay so poorly, they can't get anyone to work for them that is competent and educated. So, they settle for the "fake it until you make it" crowd. That is why they are the worst company in the world to work for!
Really - who wants to work for WF? Well, the JPM crowd does, because they get paid lots of money for doing absolutely nothing - just bringing the JPM processes to WF - the processes that suck and don't do any good for the company. Get rid of CS and SVB and SH and MV and SP and the list goes on and on... Get rid of them!
I didn’t go to college and bounced around a lot as a contractor through different FIs. I got converted at WF by my current manager. She did me a solid and told me - get a 4 year degree - a lot of places will pass over candidates without one and if the economy tanks, you don’t want to be overlooked just because you’re missing a piece of paper.
I didn’t go to college because I get anxiety over taking tests. My manager helped me navigate the tuition reimbursement program here, talked to me about the schools and programs I was interested in and even gives me a pep talk for midterms and finals. I’m doing great with about 2 years of credits to go and I never would have even tried without her.
She’s right, this company may not require a degree but a company you want to work for more may. As she told me - if nothing else a degree shows commitment in yourself and a goal and it is best to be prepared for any qualifications a job you want may require.
@owl+1gYbEGaw The post was not a slight against people in trades rather, a WTF kind of apprenticeship one can use at a BANK question.
I guess your fancy book learning didn’t help with reading comprehension, sarcasm or thinking about what one thing has to do with another. Good luck with the loans.
When I worked in Technology, I knew a manager who didn’t even know much about technology. (Even basic things about a computer!) How they even got into these jobs is beyond me.
Sip.
@rae+1gYbEGaw the post about apprenticeships had nothing to do with being a manager. You're using a strawman fallacy. It was clearly in response to @rjq+1gYbEGaw who seemed to indicate that getting a skill through apprenticeship programs was somehow lesser than going to a four year college program.
Yeah, I am sick of the teller (tchnology) managers. The one is a she and I thought she would be long gone. But, no!! She is as incompetent as they come and she goes around saying other people that are competent or incompetent. I am really surprised that she hasn't met her match and been fired. But, there are too many corrupt people at this bank that cover for her or whatever. So, she fits right in.
Two years ago my nephew started a programming boot camp of 16 weeks the same time my son started college.
My son just finished his sophomore year of college.
My nephew makes over $100K in a programming job.
My son works part time delivering food to make side cash while doing college course work.
My nephew was a sc--w up academically through high school and was a b-m for several years after high school until my parents offered to pay for this boot camp.
My son was a hard worker through school and in college. And he is broke.
So by this definition, Bill Gates, Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg are not qualified to supervise OP
Being an electrician or other highly skilled worker is wonderful but very different from being a manager at a financial institution. Not really a great comparison.
With the poor grammar and spelling on this site, it’s clear that there is value in a college education that many here do not have.
@rjq+1gYbEGaw Electricians (also apprenticeship) and plumbers make some serious money without being burdened with student loan debt. My brother-in-law is an electrician and he makes almost the same as I do. The difference is that I am paying student loans and he is not, so his real earnings are more than mine.
Tired of the negative posts about “older workers.” I agree there are some that don’t do much and should move on, but have respect for the good ones. Some experienced workers run circles around entitled “younger workers” who expect to have everything handed to them. Experience brings perspective and wisdom. You could benefit by trying to listen and learn rather than lumping all older workers together as outdated dinosaurs. Some are vibrant, accomplished individuals who contribute more than you know and who enjoy sharing knowledge with others. You might find one to mentor you.
As someone with an undergrad and an MS in IT related fields, it irritates the cr-p out of me when I hear people use education as an argument. Great, you went to school and completed coursework. That does not automatically translate that you have any advantage intellectually over anyone else. Maybe look at yourself, OP, and see what it is about you that your manager has a problem with and address that, rather than cling to the fact that you managed to complete four years (or six years) of copy and paste.
Some of the d-mbest people I know have degrees. Congrats on your scholastic achievements, they’re a poor substitute for life experience. They don’t teach that in school. 🤷🏻
@zlo+1gYbEGaw An apprenticeship?! Are you the resident tattoo artist?! Plumber?! Carpenter!?
There’s a reason the “early talent pipeline” begins with 4 year program college interns. For commercial banking and analytics they also look for masters candidate interns. No offense to those who got in on their own steam of “work experience”. A lot of those folks are the tellers who worked their way into operations and then around different areas. Good for them.
OP - it sounds like you don’t respect your manager and the feeling is mutual. Time to start looking for an area more suited to you or hoping your boss moves on. Either way, one of you needs to go. Good luck.
While you did your degree, I did an apprenticeship. You got a piece of paper while I got solid work experience. Different strokes I guess.
Yeah, this is a poor take. I know folks who started their careers and ourworked everyone to prove themselves, only to get a degree and slow way down. Stop resting on your laurels, your business line clearly has no practical use for them. Work harder.
Degrees don’t mean your are smart!
Looks like we have reached peak entitlement on here
News flash OP…This is not NASA where we are sending rockets into space or an ER where we perform open heart surgery on people.
A well trained chimpanzee could adequately perform most of the jobs at Wells. Your team sounds like a great example of that
Wow, lots of non-degrees responses to this post. While this is more common among older workers, I’d have thought those were displaced by now. Degreed and technical, to perform technological work trumps someone lucky to still have a job, in most successful enterprises. Thank you for your original, very enlightening, post.
You sound real bitter because this manager has surpassed you in their career without a piece of paper you probably put yourself in debt for. Sad.. Or you are probably mad because you have a "degree" and still a level one operator... More SAD. Go evaluate yourself, its probably you failing at life/career that made you write this. Happy Sunday
Ask Bill Gates
His lack of degree has nothing to do with your performance. The relevant question here is how he was able to meet the minimum qualifications for the role he currently holds. That is assuming he wasn’t the beneficiary of a fake interview process, which might have been the case.
It sounds like you be a better fit somewhere else. Good luck at your next stop.
Yeah, your performance isn't about my education. I've seen far too many paper experts around here. Give me the person without the degree who's crushing it on a daily basis. That's where the 'exceeds' usually come from.
Performance reviews aren’t about your resume, they are about your most recent job performance. Sounds like your performance is below meets