Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

I don't think it's required to apply for a PE spot vs getting promoted. I've seen architecture people moved to PE titles after they were left behind after the architecture reorg.

Distinguished engineer -- yeah, good luck with that. Getting that title means you really have to have a "godfather" (or "godmother") that will pretty much sponsor you for such a title. There aren't going to be many. There are a cr-p ton of Principle engineers and with the new job architecture the Principle Architects are no Principle Engineers.

Correct, the Bank is only interested in the DEI group that cannot achieve by merit alone, otherwise this blatant discrimination would not exist.

There is a class that needs help and will require special accommodations forever.

More competition for jobs? As in pools of fully qualified, top performing applicants, or substandard box-checking applicants that may or may not meet the qualifications but will meet the wink-wink requirements? Who can say?
Having seen what is taking place, I think its the box-checks that carry more weight these days. And that is just not relevant to one's ability to actually be the best candidate to perform the work. After all, the company is here to make money, not fix perceived social ills. Of course, that is my opinion, and just what I've observed, but then, what do I know? I'm obsolete, dead-wood, leave it to beaver generation that thought the best and brightest would get ahead. Turns out, I've been fooled!

So you mean there is more competition for jobs, instead of all white males? And by a product of the workforce being more diverse, people other than white males actually get jobs? Amazing.

"its easy to move if you are qualified for the roles".....ummm OK. Sure. Believe that. Then wake up. Mostly, if you check a few "boxes" (and you know what I mean) yeah then you might be a slam dunk. But, if you are a traditional person (think Leave It to Beaver) types and times, well then. You may as well hang it up. You are NOT WANTED.

I think Scooby Doo could get a job at WF before any "traditional" person would. Just a thought.....

@1lnz it's very easy to move to other groups within tech if you're qualified for the roles you apply for

My old teammates who took positions in CIBT and Tech Infrastructure aregping to be so annoyed when i tell them they actually didn’t get those spots a few months ago and in reality are still on our team. Thanks for setting the record straight Layoff.com

Even if you applied to another group they will block it. They don’t allow it in tech even if they allow it on paper.

Often times when wanting to hire from the outside within the midst of an already in progress staff trimming, the new hires may get a bonus but the benefits are less and over time saves the company money. Stay tuned, you can bet there is more......

I know seven PE in my LOB. 1 was PE long before Saul announced the program. 3 were moved to PE after the announement, not sure if they applied for the roles or not. 3 were external hires.

a lot of bias in the hires too

By hiring from outside instead of internal all they are doing is p1ssing off existing staff. But, maybe that’s the point, long timers here are just dead wood in management’s eyes. Maybe they’ll get mad and quit, saving on package payouts? Maybe that is the thinking at the top?

Add the Red Tape Engineer, RTE, which seems to be the most important role alongside the useless Agile coach/box checkers.

"Applying for a promotion?"

Good heavens, you mean you have to do the bare minimum to go through a process to somewhat prove your competence in order to get a role, and it's not just handed to you?

Sound the alarm.

Search for them in Workday and the answer shall be revealed.

Is PE and DE still around with the new job titles