Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Bereavement is not just immediate family members cuz every family is different. Take your bereavement!

I am paid hourly but we are allowed "flex time" so if you need to lave a few hours early in the day for an appointment or something, just ask the manager and you can make up the hours another day of the week instead using PTO. I would think as salary this would be common and even easier since you dont have to track each minute worked, but sheesh! Maybe depends on management/department.

sounds like it's a problem with your manager; mine would never ask me to put in a PTO request in that situation

There's a PTO request for bereavement. Just use that and move on. Obviously make sure your manager knows.

Yeah, your manager should be understanding and just be ok with a few hours for a funeral.

Maybe don't put in so many weekends and nights.

I agree as a manager that I’d never ask anyone to put in PTO for being out for a few hours. I had a new employee put in an hour of PTO and asked him to remove it, I wasn’t going to track to that level. I’m sorry your manager is so inflexible.

Similar thing happened to me, while working CONSISTENT 70 hour weeks and weekends. For quite a while we simply NEVER got a day away from work. Not even Sundays.

Somehow it's expected to work overnights and weekends, but if we need an afternoon off for something...? Oh, that's different....

Fine. Over the years I can tell you that it's cost them a lot more than just that 4 hours. A lot more.

All this does is turn star performers into people who just do enough to skate by.

Also in infra. My stamp times are usually in the 120 range per period.

Dude. Tell your boss it’s covered in the wash. Grow some testosterone.

OP is in infrastructure - 50-60 hour weeks are the NORM here! Not everywhere but here, yes. The tech is janky, the problems are legion and w/ the log4j vulnerability infra teams have not gotten a break in almost a month - including the holidays!

How do I know? I left infrastructure for the same reason. My best advice to you is make time for the online skills training and get out of here. Other companies have problems but nowhere near the scale this place does.

I'm sorry for your loss. Use this terrible experience as a catalyst to get out of here! Good luck.

As a salaried employee, you are not required to submit PTO for anything under 4 hours.

Comp time!!

@1xi Thanks for being one of the good ones!

I’m a manager & know my team has plenty of comp time from putting in extra hours. I would never expect them to take PTO to handle a personal matter for a few hours.

@OP

I’m livid for you. Insulted and offended for you as well.

It’s a slap in the face. Nights, weekends going above and beyond week after week, day in and day out.

I’m saying this because I’ve been in your exact situation as well. I declined a few meetings because I needed a whopping half day to attend a funeral and was met with the same reaction by my manager.

I had just worked 12 hours on an issue over the weekend and now needed to take a half day to attend a funeral of a friend who died tragically, and I’m met with “mark it down as PTO.”

I lost my ever loving mind at that point. It was the straw that broke the camels back for me. The nail in the coffin. No pun intended.

Oh I marked it down. And I also started recording all my hours and every single minute I worked outside of standard business operating hours. If I ran meetings in the wee hours of the morning with EMEA regions to accommodate those partners, I was logged off by noon for the rest of the day. If I had to run or attend India/APAC meetings all night, again, I was logged off after that shift. I started adjusting my schedule to compensate my working hours and availability. I carved out desk time and blocked my calendar so I could update plans, metrics, reporting tools and every stupid form that was required. No more free hours, a maximum of 8 hours a day. That’s it and that’s all.

If you expect me to work numerous projects or issues thru completion, across multiple international and stateside time zones, and be on-call, and answer emails after hours and on weekends, then I expect to be paid for those hours. If you do not plan to compensate me for those hours, then I do not work those hours. I don’t work for free.

I had to ask myself, WTF?!? I’m doing all this for what?! A few shekels they throw my way of a whopping 2% raise year over year? A hope and prayer that our group met full “Target Bonus Funding?” Am I ever going to be justly rewarded and compensated for all my hard work and dedication?

I realized the bank isn’t going to shut down if I don’t show up for work tomorrow.

New year, new you. Put you first this year. Update your resume, start looking, make your move.

You’re worth more then being told to dock PTO hours.

@1rbc+1eEU3uVU

Exactly…. We send all evening and weekend work to wfip. If they can’t do the job, then they explain to mgmt why not and mgmt addresses the issues. Sometimes we must help out (emergency patching, bcp events, 3rd level app down need specialty help, etc). But for the most part we hand off to them, they hand off to us in morn.

If you’re salaried but generally working 40 hours, that’s one thing. If you’re salaried and working 50-60+ hours a week then it’s total bee ess! Yeah, I’d be thinking seriously about looking elsewhere and, right away, I’d be getting WAY more stingy with working nights and weekends.

The other thing is that you need to start pushing back on weekend work and evening work.
Assign tasks off to WFIP.

I would submit a bereavement for 8 hours
Attend 3.5 hours funeral. Then go home and relax. If they ask, tell them you had to assist with setup etc.

Report them to the Ethics Line, that'll help.

The OP here - it was a friend's funeral

Bereavement only applies to an immediate family member, not even an uncle. OP did not mention his spouse or brother died, just that he had to attend a funeral.

salaried by law can only submit in half day increments, if you worked more than half a day which it seems you did since you indicated 3.5hr I say you don't need to submit anything and ykur manager can talk to HR of they have an issue

Yes. You do not- and should not- put up with a manager that requires the consistent type of off-hours work required (outside the COW) and charges you for PTO.

With that said, wells provides 5 days of bereavement (non PTO) for each near family loss. Use them.

Yes

Don’t blame you for wanting to get away from a person like that, but they’re everywhere.

I am hourly and would put in 1/2 day of PTO for something like the funeral you mention

That happened to me once as well. That manager lost more than a half day of work as I was no longer willing to put in so many extra hours of my own time.

There is bereavement available for you to use and not PTO

You should always be looking for new jobs. No matter what happens between you and your manager and no matter when.
Seriously, this place is a sinking ship. Or I should say almost the whole finance industry is sinking. Therefore, you should always be looking. Good luck.

Been here over 20 years and never put in PTO for something like that