Thread regarding Allstate Corp. layoffs

Tom Wilson is very proud of you for doing his dirty work….

Ahh, I see our insecure red hatter is self voting again. It is like he is addicted to lies. He cannot control himself.

"At the end of the day you are a Scumbag just like CEO Tom Wilson. You are not an American!"

Yet you are the one who actively dislikes 75% of your fellow Americans (non-white males) in the workplace. Yet you are the one you who supports insurrection and the Great Lie. Yet you are the one that denies science at the risk of ki----g hundreds of thousands more Americans.

Your definition of scumbag should start with a mirror maybe?

In my previous post I forgot to provide a reference supporting my statement that red states are huge consumers of the federal budget, much larger than blue states.

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

Ah, I came back this morning. I guess Billy Pune succumbed again to his addiction of self voting his attacks on logic and his fellow Americans. As regular as clockwork is our little angry Foxian.

Billy Pune. I admire your restraint. Now you are only self voting 4 to 8 times. Maybe you are learning.

I know your reading comprehension is weak. You have demonstrated that multiple times.

First, I have said I am in the job market with offers I am considering. So I really dont care.

Second, not every function can be outsourced. Lawyers. Catastrophic field adjusters. Advertising. Pension management. Lobbying. Etc.

I know you have limited understanding on how a large company actually operates, so I will cut you some slack.

It is absolutely hilarious that you are on a LAYOFF forum claiming your position at Allstate cannot be outsourced or you cannot be laid off……. Enjoy the Kool aid.

Billy Pune from Russia has a"woke"n

"Per woke Allstate CEO"

See, Billy Pune could have said "Per the Allstate CEO". But his fear and small mindedness made him parrot his Fox heroes.

"Woke" is about giving equal access to opportunity and happiness to all Americans regardless of one's gender, se-ual preference, color, ethnicity, nationality, religion and other non important dimensions of one's person. Its aldo about no longer accepting those behaviors that demean the existence and rights of others.

But Billy Pune is threatened by changing world because his news stations have told him that it is OK to discriminate because discrimination never existed. Billy Pune is afraid to compete.

And yes, the "woke" Allstate is a white male, the kind of people that Billy Pune beleives deserves to lead all of our companies. Its funny how the Hannanites trn on one another when one of their own has a mind of their own.

@7haz+1eAl700V

Given you inability to vote fairly and be at all truthful in any of your posts, please let us know which one you are

• - Pathological liar: A liar lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little awareness. People who lie pathologically often tell lies about things that don’t matter, for no apparent reason.

• Compulsive liar: A person who lies compulsively simply lies without thought or control and doesn't have any specific intent. Compulsive lying is often purely out of habit.

"Have a good time training Billy from Pune before you get laid off….."

For the fifth time, you come back with an infantile retort that has no bearing on the discussion. And again, your desperate need for attention and to be right resulted you in mass voting your own nonsensical post in less than ten minutes. No rational adult could vote for it.

You seem disturbed and inarticulate. You are unable to form cogent thoughts in support of your positions. Instead, you throw out some fictional Billy from Pune character that somehow is supposed to mean something to people who have a functioning brain.

It is becoming possible to me you are a poorly paid Chinese or Russian bot. You throw out complete nonsense that perfectly mimics the hard right line but you are then unable to add context or substance to your posts.

I wont get laid off. My position cannot be outsourced. But thanks for your concern.

@7vfa-has brain trauma. Explains why he is stuck in a miserable job…

@7vfa+1eAl700V

Lie On...

And for the seventh time your raging insecurity is on display for all to see as you upvoted your own meaningless two word post 16 times in 8 minutes.

What childhood trauma led you to believe that fake voting for your own posts would make things better?

And it is people like you who cry about election integrity. The irony is amazing.

Again, you post a childish non sequitur and a non responsive reply to the issues you have presented to the readers of this board.

Stunningly, your lack of critical thinking means you fail to recognize that white male Americans in Allstate leadership made the decision to outsource American jobs.

You lack the synergistic ability to see that people just like you are performing the outsourcing you rant against. Funny, huh?

Lets review again your inability to function as a responsible adult once more.

• You have lied about many things on this board, most recently about Wi---e Nelson and Al Sharpton taxes.
• You attack the principle that all people are equal regardless of their gender, color, nationality, religion, or se-ual preference
• You deny the historical record on racism, sexism, and other prejudice
• You use the terms "communism" and 'socialism" without a clue what they mean. You never could define them
• You repeat the lies and conspiracies from Qanon, Fox, Breitbart and OAN on social equality, politics, and and vaccinations wihtout once providing any value add on the parroted phrases you used
• You failed to just once refute any fact presented that made your points irrelevant all while failing to present at least one third party verifiable fact of your own to support your assertions.
• You demonstrated your insecurity by voting for your own posts up to 50 times
• You attack people from India with pejorative names like "Billy" on multiple posts but then chilishly fail to realize that these Indians didn't make the decisions to outsource to India. Americans did.

In other words, you put stuff out there that you hear on your far right broadcasts without any regard to what it means and how factual it is. You simply perpetuate the hate and misinformation

Indeed, you are why our democracy is threatened. You are incapable of seeking the truth. You lack the intelligence and intellectual curiosity to do so.

Since your most recent post is full of the same non sequiturs, denials, and non responsive drivel you have earned the right to read once more about your failings as a person, as an American, and as a debater.

And again your raging insecurity leads you to vote 40 times for yourself. You folks really are funny when it comes about talking about election fraud.

Lets review in detail your childish actions over the last several months on this job board, none of which you try to deny nor could successfully deny:

• You have lied about many things on this board, most recently about Wi---e Nelson and Al Sharpton taxes.
• You attack the principle that all people are equal regardless of their gender, color, nationality, religion, or se-ual preference
• You deny the historical record on racism, sexism, and other prejudice
• You use the terms "communism" and 'socialism" without a clue what they mean. You never could define them
• You repeat the lies and conspiracies from Qanon, Fox, Breitbart and OAN on social equality, politics, and and vaccinations wihtout once providing any value add on the parroted phrases you used
• You failed to just once refute any fact presented that made your points irrelevant all while failing to present at least one third party verifiable fact of your own to support your assertions.
• You demonstrated your insecurity by voting for your own posts up to 50 times
• You attack people from India with pejorative names like "Billy" on multiple posts but then chilishly fail to realize that these Indians didn't make the decisions to outsource to India. Americans did.

In other words, you put stuff out there that you hear on your far right broadcasts without any regard to what it means and how factual it is. You simply perpetuate the hate and misinformation

Indeed, you are why our democracy is threatened. You are incapable of seeking the truth. You lack the intelligence and intellectual curiosity to do so.

You instead actively seek the lies that are packaged as news because they allow you to continue your campaign against those that are different than you and that threaten your little cocoon of priveleged specialness.

Indeed, it appears you cloak your prejudice and ignorance in the term "patriot".

@7ray+1eAl700V. Seems like you know it all other than what’s happening in front of you. Lmao. Good thing you tell yourself your intelligent & multi talented. That should make it easier for you to get a new employer when Billy from Pune takes your current position at Allstate. Good thing you can always count on CNN & FB for your facts……. Get that resume ready, you will need it….52

To the dude who insists on attacking his fellow Americans who may not share his gender, color, nationality, religion, or se-ual orientation (after all, he has spent months attacking these ideas under the rather silly label of "woke").

Then he uses lies to support his tenuous positions (voting for his own posts 10 to 40 times within minutes of the post being made, using the Wi---e Nelson tax lie in this thread, etc.)

Then out of the blue he brings up psychiatry. Which really is a cry for help to an outside observer. So, I will help him. His actions are described below:

What is Pathological Lying?

Pathological lying is broadly defined as telling compulsive, elaborate lies. The lies may vary in terms of function – while some may be told in order to portray the person in a positive or sympathetic light, others may have no clear purpose. Some common characteristics of pathological lying include:

• Lying without any benefit or reason – do you notice your friend lying seemingly only for the sake of lying? This is a common trait of pathological lying, and a clear sign that lying has become reflexive and habitual.
• Telling lies that are complicated, dramatic, and detailed – though the stories might seem far-fetched, the convincing way they are told in a pathological lie can make them seem believable.
• Believing (or seeming to believe) their own lies – some experts believe that because people who pathologically lie do so with great ease and frequency, they may not always remember what is real, and what they’ve made up.
• The lies may make the person telling them seem like a hero, or a victim – pathological liars sometimes tell lies to gain sympathy or admiration. If you notice someone frequently lying about their health, wealth, political positions, or career status, this could be a sign of pathological lying.
  

Ok, I also see another 4 votes in 3 minutes by the person who insists on attacking truth and his fellow Americans. In this thread.

He does seem addicted to lies and making himself seem supported by others.

6mwb+1eAl700V

You watch lies and prejudice and you think you understand America enough to spread those same lies and prejudice on public media.

Allstate is better than your intolerance and mistruths

All you understand is what a cult member understands - only what you aree told. You have demonstrated zero critical thinking skills and have provided ZERO facts in your weak attempts at rebuttal.

And again your raging insecurity is on display for all with you voting for your own posts eight times in 10 minutes. My god, you are just like your cult leader - unwilling to let a vote stand on its own merits.

Why are you so afraid to let your posts stand on their own without your stuffing the ballot box?

Once again the guy who stands against the Constitution by seeking to discriminate against fellow Americans based on gender, race, se-ual preference, religion and nationality has to vote 20 times in a sad effort to show his belief that the majority of Allstate employees support discrimination.

Sorry dude. They dont.

What kind of weakness propels a man to upvote an obvious lie about Wi---e Nelson tax returns 20 times, of all things? Who supports these kinds of open lies? Wait. Don't answer that. We know.

What kind of weakness and fear propels a man to vote 20 times in support of his open disdain for the majority of his fellow Americans?

"In 1990, the IRS seized Wi---e Nelson’s bank accounts & real estate holding for a 16 million dollar tax debt…. In 2015, Al Sharpton owes in excessive of over 19 million in tax debt, NO IRS seizer & visited the White House on a regular basis….."

So...

Is this really equal to

• 150 years of slavery
• Decades of Jim Crow laws
• Thousands of people of color ki---d and their churches burned by the K-K and other white supremacist groups
• Segregation through 1960s in the South where people of color could not eat at the same counter or stay in the same hotels
• Hundreds of g-y people dragged behind cars through the 1990s
• Exclusion of people of color from trade unions into the 21st century
• 29 states allowing discrimation against non-straight people
• 4 percent of Fortune 500 CEOs being Black or Hispanic TODAY
• People of color being sentenced to prison terms for the same crimes 20% longer than white criminals TODAY
• Children of color being suspended twice as often from schools TODAY

By the way, your Sharpton / Nelson tax claim is largely a lie and is perpetuated by the liars at Fox, OAN, and Breitbart.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/22/fact-check-claim-overstates-how-much-taxes-al-sharpton-owed/7195590002/

In 1990, the IRS seized Wi---e Nelson’s bank accounts & real estate holding for a 16 million dollar tax debt….

In 2015, Al Sharpton owes in excessive of over 19 million in tax debt, NO IRS seizer & visited the White House on a regular basis…..

Please explain white privilege again???

when will we learn that there is one race, the human race, and that we all deserve the shovel and the crown to a kingdom of dirt and devils?

https://freedomforallamericans.org/states/

29 states allow employers to discriminate against non-straight people

Equal access to opportunity and outcomes for all?

"In terms of women in leadership positions, in 2009 only 24 percent of total CEOs in the US were women and they earned 74.5 percent as much as male CEOs (BLS 2010 p.9)."

Equal access and outcome? Really?

https://www.ilo.org/washington/areas/gender-equality-in-the-workplace/WCMS_159496/lang--en/index.htm

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/18/majorities-of-americans-see-at-least-some-discrimination-against-black-hispanic-and-asian-people-in-the-u-s/

The majority of Americans see racism today. Pew Research is non-biased.

More sources. Yet everything is now "equal access"?

US Sentencing Commision. “Demographic Differences in Sentencing.” https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing.

Before you ask, some of my sources

US Department of Education, Office of Civil Rights. “2015-16 Civil Rights Data Collection: School Climate and Safety.” https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/school-climate-and-safety.pdf. Accessed Feb. 5, 2020. ↩︎

Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. “National Healthcare Quality and Disparities Report.” https://www.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/wysiwyg/research/findings/nhqrdr/2018qdr-final.pdf. Accessed Feb. 5, 2020. ↩︎

You supply personal theories but no actual data.

But you ignore fights over desegregation into the 1980s and insist that by the second decade of the 20th century all was well? You ignore that unions fought against people of color joining their ranks into the 21st century (look at union rolls for confirmation). You ignore obvios promotions of women and people of color and pretend all has been well for one hunred years? How can that position be taken seriously?

You provide personal theories why 12 (TWELVE!) percent of Fortune 500 CEOs are Black, Hispanic OR female and somehow seek to justify this absurd inequality based on personal sociological theories that fully dismiss centuries of obvious discrimination.

You ignore the impacts of decades and centuries of discrimination creating gaps in generational wealth thus affecting access to elementary, high school, and college education. And the ability to hold families together.

You ignore that white patients in the US received better quality health care than about 34% of Hispanic patients, 40% of Black patients, and 40% of Native American patients affecting their ability to succeed.

You ignore that Black Americans and white Americans use dr-gs at similar rates, but Black Americans are 6 times more likely to be arrested for it affecting their employment possibilities. For example, in New York City, 88% of police stops in 2018 involved Black and Latinx people, while 10% involved white people. (Of those stops, 70% were completely innocent.)

You ignore that Black students represent only 15% of total US student enrollment, but they made up 35% of students suspended once, 44% of students suspended more than once, and 36% of students expelled. The US Department of Education concluded that this disparity is “not explained by more frequent or more serious misbehavior by students of color.”

Look the list is endless of how discrimination RIGHT NOW IS AFFECTING THE NON WHITE MALES EMPLOYEES OF TODAY AND TOMORROW.

Of course all of this is "equal access" in your mind

I ask again.

Do you have evidence that YOU as white male have been discriminated against? OR that white males in general are being discriminated against TODAY?

@3ucq+1eAl700V There are several reasons for these trends, some of the things to ponder which contributes to the results you mentioned:

• Gender-related (such as the number of women that choose paths like eductation or natural sciences such as nursing, vs men tending to favor labor or stem roles). Even with focus on getting more women into STEM, such as programs in Norway, women still tend to opt for education and natural sciences degrees. That will severely limit their representation in the leadership of large corporations, they simply choose not to go into those roles. When women do go into business or STEM roles, they tend to outperform and are promoted more frequently than their male counterparts.

• Cultural (Asian cultures tend to value education more than other groups, which is why you see many of them with masters or higher degrees, pursuing careers as doctors, lawyers, tech leaders, etc).

• Family/upbringing related (children who have both a father and mother figure tend to be more successful than those with only one or the other). This is typically combined with financial restrictions that tend to make it difficult to pursue the secondary education generally required to get into business leadership. If our country has done anything, it has failed the black family, which is disproportionately represented in this group for a plethora of reasons. If there is a problem to solve, it's how to help prevent this.

• Economic (as previously mentioned, clearly some people are more well off than others, giving them easier access to success, however, in this country, with enough hard work, can change your status in most cases, even our poorest live much more comfortably than in other places in the world, but we can always help to make this better)

At no point are any of these issues institutional any longer.

During the early 1900s and earlier, the argument can exist that the government and our institutions have held back many groups.

To claim we live in a society today where the majority holds back anyone based on immutable characteristics is ridiculous and a broad generalization of symptoms of societal issues that are individual and can't be addressed with broad strokes. I'm not going to suggest that racism, sexism, religious predjudice, se-ual orientation prejudice, etc doesn't exist, because it does, but the people who hold those views are not the majority. On the bright side, as a melting pot of cultures and races, the US is better equipped to handle these types of problems than any other country in the world. If you have complaints about our current culture, while not perfect, there are other countries that still ki-l people for their differences, I'd much rather see more outrage against that, and less about microinequities and unconcious bias in a largely free society that accepts people of all walks of life.

No. In practice it is about not continue to provide silent and obvious advantages to white males. It is about creating an equal playing field given the context of our discriminatory history.

Again. How do you explain less than one (1) percent Blacks in the Fortune 500 CEO list? How do you explain three (3) percent Hispanic Fortune CEOs? How do you explain eight (8) percent of Fortune 500 CEOs are women? In what alternate reality is this "equal access" or even in the same order of magnitude of "equal access"?

What actual data do you have to show you, as a white male, are being discriminated against at Allstate or in America as opposed to simply dealing with the same disadvantages of bias that others have faced for centuries?

Or do you just like to whine when others get to eat at the adult table?

@3ucq+1eAl700V in practice, it is exactly that: holding back the majority for the benefit of the minority. What you're describing sounds ideal, but the implementation is so far from what you think it is.

Its not about holding anyone back.

Its about creating a society where three centuries of years of ingrained advantages no longer create "quiet inequities". Its about owning our history and the impact of that hsitory.

How do you explain less than one (1) percent Blacks in the Fortune 500 CEO list? How do you explain three (3) percent Hispanic Fortune CEOs? How do you explain eight (8) percent of Fortune 500 CEOs are women? In what alternate reality is this "equal" or even in the same order of magnitude of "equal"?

You can pretend everything is "equal". But you have not one shred of statistical data to show things are "equal". Or do you?

So instead of leaning from the issues of holding back groups over the last three centuries, let's hold back another group of people as retribution for the mistakes of their ancestors despite the fact they had nothing to do with that. #smart

To pretend that three centuries of discrimination does not have a residual impact is disingenuous. It ignores human nature. It ignores the concept of generational wealth.

A group of people discriminated against for their entire existence cannot be "equal" after one generation of (questionable) equal treatment. That is an asinine position that ignores basic sociology.

And this position ignores these things because the priveleged are frightened to now compete on a level playing field. They are too accustomed to their built in advantages.

\When these advantages are used by others, they cry foul.

Too funny, really,

Real equality, which truly embraces all religion, color, ethnicity, nationalities, genders, and se-ual preference is good enough for most Americans.

Pretending there are no issues evven though statistical data obviously highlights these issues is what is "good enough" for the priveleged who have benefitted from the status quo for three centuries.

Why is that so hard to embrace? Why is the denial of obvious fact supportable in any forum? How can one deny centuries of discrimination when it is in the nations laws TODAY?

Equal opportunity =/= to Equal outcome

Equal opportunity is an ideal state where every individual, regardless of immutable characteristics, is able to achieve their goals without prejudice.

Equal outcome is the opposite. It is determining everything based on immutable characteristics and providing unequal opportunity to achieve. The philosophy is that those in the minority are incapable of achieving given an even playing field, so the majority needs to be held back. That is pretty damn bigoted and then it also promotes the perception of "token" member of a given group based on their immutable characteristics.

It's never going to be good enough for the left. We back equal opportunity, they say that is not good enough. Good luck.

Equal opportunity and outcome has been denied for three centuries to many non-majority Americans. To quibble over words when the core issue is inarguably true really is petty and makes a point without purpose.

Also, to ignore that centuries of discrimination actually have a meaningful residual impact and thus requires balanced action to correct this centuries long unbalanced playing field is naive.

Again, 28 percent of the American population is white non Hispanic males. Yet 70% of the Allstate executive leadership, as easily visible on their own website, is comprised of that long favored demographic. Almost all Fortune 500 companies have the same distribution.

Lets not pretend we can "flip a switch" and all of sudden all issues are cleared. That is simply not realistic.

@2nmo+1eAl700V all for equal opportunity. You lose me when you force equal outcome... Is it that hard to understand?

Equal opportunity is fair, forced equal outcome is discrimination. Plain and simple.