In the ok'd UG east, lakeside is starring January with all residential meter work and primary oncall.
From the areas already that had this done to them, what can we expect?
Was the role out for our employees to dig work smooth?
Is the commercial meters a separate role from dig work, or is it jumping from one type of work to another.
Less $ in your pocket because of these changes (no primary call outs?).
Can we not get people from outside the country (fruit pickers = Lakeside ) so we can break their backs, give no benefits, and hear what we need to hear ("great team - great team")
in order to get our bonus, so we can leave in our new porche in a few years.
Sorry off script - LOL
Don't know what area you are from, but here they were doing 4 minimum with some guys doing 6-8 with rebuilds to candy canes.
Lakeside is piece work. Change the meter, maybe the reg and go to the next one. Enbridge doesn't care and wouldn't change meters of they didn't have too. All bottom line and cheapest cost.
30 years bi-----g about changing meters, bi-----g because planning gave you 3 meters all day! Sitting at Tim Hortons for 2 hours twice a day and NOW your mad because Enbridge found another solution to your laziness? LOL union stewards eating their words.
"Just because you get paid to do something doesn't mean you don't have options to spend your expertise elsewhere."
That's true. But if you chose to go with this company, your relationship starts then, and it is transactional. You work, you are paid. You might think there's some ethereal debt you are building for the company by gracing them with your presence, but that's ridiculous.
In fact, it's equally valid (or invalid) to say that the longer the company deigns to employ you, the more you owe them out of gratitude.
No, "they sold their time to..."
"They got paid along the way. Nothing is out of balance."
Just because you get paid to do something doesn't mean you don't have options to spend your expertise elsewhere.
They made this a winning team. With Enbridge destroying the team everything is in shambles and any hope of success in the future is gone. We now play for a bottom dwelling team. Forgive me if it's difficult to accept.
Anyone have any insight to the original question?
"... They invested their time in..."
No, "they sold their time to..."
They got paid along the way. Nothing is out of balance.
I don't get this sense of entitlement. I could understand it if the pension collapsed, or something retroactive or already earned was yanked away, but if the future changes and not the past, you're owed nothing,
Agree with all you said. But it is done. It is over. Nothing anyone can do to bring it back or change it. Time to accept or move on.
These people didn't choose to work for Enbridge. They invested their time in to a quality organization, only to have the best parts of it dismantled by people who don't understand the value in what they've purchased. It's disheartening, frustrating, and leaves everyone without hope.
The merger was a long time ago. The UG family is long long gone. You need to get over it. It is never never never coming back. Or you should just move on.
It just sounds like whining
The UG family got fed to the wolves.
I think the union gas people have seen what being part of the enbridge family is like. Thanks Greg for inviting AL over for a beer and bbq.
You union gas folks are going to see now what enbridge life is really like,
good luck trying to protect each other it won't last, the past is GONE
I can recall getting jammed with someones standby, as so many tried to get out of standby constantly. The manger said i had to do his weekend shift, as he was comforting a friend. Nobody wants standby in the summer, or winter. Sucking and blowing at the same time.
Nothing to fear but fear itself.
Life is too short for all this negativity. Just adapt and get on with it.
Either you dont know or are kidding yourself! Nobody wants to change residential meters and its been that way for decades at UG! The golden boys want others to do them for sure, and dont want to lose their gig. Also standby has been an issue with reps not getting their pages as they were cutting lawn, in basements and didnt get it, on airplane mode, or they had to go home and po-p! Lets get real here USRs!!!
'What happened to, "see something say something."?'
That phrase is typically used to identify situations of criminality or terrorism. It's not meant to describe a general state of being. In fact, anybody choosing to use it as a guiding star in most situations is in for a world of trouble.
What is to be gained, though? Let's discuss it - it was a good question.
Scenario 1: Leaving with all cards on the table
Scenario 2 - An orderly exit is chosen
What does the moral high ground achieve beyond your own personal satisfaction? I wouldn't even call it the moral high ground. To me it sounds like a descent into the muck. The moral high ground would be occupied by comporting yourself well, no matter the case for others.
I leave this with the example of the leader whose position I had to annex when the first tranches of layoffs began. He was pretty certain he was on the chopping block, and when Monday came, he was escorted out.
On the Friday before, he cleaned out his office, organized all legal agreements and documents, and left a series of notes explaining everything that was in flight, who the contacts were, and what to watch for.
I hold him as the gold standard of exiting well.
"there is no down side to exiting well."
What happened to, "see something say something."?
Taking the moral high ground isn't always easy, but it's better than leaving in shame with your tail between your legs. I'd rather leave on my terms any day.
At no point in this thread did I say a single thing pro-Enbridge. Go look.
You took the VWO and left on good terms because you got paid to go. Nothing better to do now but add your unwanted pro Enbridge speak? Just stfu.
I only point out that no matter how right you think you are, it’s in your best interests to leave on good terms. Axe to grind or not, there is no down side to exiting well.
The "poisoning the well" poster fails to recognize that Enbridge is a heartless, soul crushing, evil corporation. People think less of you for working there. So, I have no idea why you would blame someone who might have an ax to grind.
"To those that got the early exit with the VWO, i tip my hat."
I'm the "poisoning the well" poster. And I took the VWO 15 months ago.
I'm employed, making about 90% of what I did with Enbridge. I got the position I have with a company outside of the energy sector by referral from leadership I left behind. I left professionally, and it served me well.
People can talk with some sense of smugness about how "right" is to salt the fields on the way out, but exactly one side makes out poorly in that scenario, and it's not Enbridge.
If the oeb only knew what's going on they'd step in.
Remember back about 2003 the OEB ruled that Enbridge contracted too much work out and was not really saving money.
Time for another call to the OEB someone.
To the poisoning well post.
I was wondering when the pro-Enbridge speak would come out. Welcome to the discussion, you are clearly out numbered.
First off, not our well, clearly not on the board of directors here - the company has made it clear it does what it wants and owes nothing to its employees. Even less to the ones it can contract out their jobs for, just a number on an Excel balance sheet.
Funny you mention looking for another job, even you who have clearly drank deeply from the enbridge kool-aid well see the writting on the wall regarding the long term employment here. To those that got the early exit with the VWO, i tip my hat.
Poisoning the well has very little effect on you when your being barred from from drinking from it.
And the previous post is everything that is wrong with this situation.
If management actually believed everything that was preached at UG, they would not be going along with what's happening at ENB.
IF people actually spoke the truth they'd say, that they'll say whatever's required so that they can put food on the table. But with doing that, you lose all moral credibility as a person as lose all respect from anyone that works under you.
I'd encourage managers to speak the truth to their co-workers and not some non-sense that they've been told to say.
"Why would any employee make it easy for another company to take your job from you."
If the change is inevitable, consider:
Alternatively, poison your own well. When you go looking for another job, people who were here to witness everything will have to judge for themselves whether to act as references.
No, I meant didn't make things easy pre-Lakeside. But Enbridge using contractors was most likely inevitable. I am absolutely certain they're sacrificing safety to save money. We also believe that Lakeside is an attempt at limiting liability in the event of an incident.
Why would any employee make it easy for another company to take your job from you. Never had the choice to what direction the new company went. I think it will be the same for the people up in the east. I certainly dont expect anyone to be overly friendly with those scabs.
I'm not going to lie. USR's in some areas made things more difficult than it had to be.
But I don't think anything would have changed the plan to use Lakeside.
It's hard to watch things go downhill so rapidly.
No one wants to do them....? Not sure, but we have never been asked by the company before thry mske a decsion to tske work away. We were presented with a "this is how its going to be" moment. Some how the compsny stock price is further along with lakeside doing subpar work, i hope no incident occurs because of their cr-p preformance.
I was waiting for someone to bring this up...
I can tell you that since Lakeside started standby things have been aweful.
We are on the way to having a major incident, and we have had many close calls.
Safety first has been replaced by something else.
Why not?? Nobody wants to do them, and when they do, they are pathetically unproductive. The guys who want to keep them, dont have do them!
Lakeside is owned by Enbridge Inc. They get a free pass on everything. They QA themselves, so expect things to go downhill in januray. But expect the uppers to pretend its been a smooth transistion.
If they are setting up shop, dont expect the greastest employees to be operating there. Your going to make less money, but im sure the uppers pretended your response time on secondsry is a binus of not having primary.
Your job will never be te same.