Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

This will without a doubt go down as the defining failure of C and F's careers. The detriment to Cisco, its employees, partners, and customers will be so profound that it will irrevocably mar the company

“ You are either a troll or astoundingly ignorant.

Troll and astoundingly ignorant me will be employed and able to pay my bills while smart freedom lovers like you will be jobless. I prefer being me but you do you. Lol.

If there are 10%-20% that are placed on LOA then you can expect a lot of internal job movement. Which only means that if the EO is dropped our jobs might be taken before we are reinstated. How can that be right.

There's plenty of other tech companies, partners, and customers who have not done vaccine mandates. Sc--w complying and leaving!

If you are going to leave, don't comply. Feel that you will have to get the vaccine at some point? Wait until the last minute. They want people feeling isolated and without a choice. That's why they said that 91% of Cisco is vaxxed, then 90%, and now 68%. Also, just because someone is vaccinated does not mean that they agree with this executive order, non-law, vaccine mandate.

Do. Not. Comply.

Not getting a raise during a period of hyperinflation was bad. Now I'm being physically threatened. Cisco can my .

We are going to have to be vaxxed or endure second class citizenship anyway is how it looks right now. Social credit is coming to USA also (that’s what’s next on the slope) but that’s a topic for another post.

I can here to say that I am highly actively looking for another job. If I HAVE to be fully vaxxed that means I can work anywhere.

With the labor and talent shortage in the industry, pickings are ripe.

Cisco saying no backfills coming, no sight of decreased workload or enforcements AND absolutely no raise whatsoever before next fall?

I’m out. Gonna go somewhere on the cutting edge that pays a market rate.

Don’t put your vax in work day. Make them sweat.

"Even if you were hesitant, but are getting the jabs to comply, you are signing up for whatever series of boosters that are mandated. Jabs forever."

The ELT is telling you that they own your body. Anyone going along with this has chosen to become a slave.

There is a check-in going on right now, and someone asked about boosters in workday. Cisco said that it is coming.

Even if you were hesitant, but are getting the jabs to comply, you are signing up for whatever series of boosters that are mandated. Jabs forever.

Cisco is going to crash and burn. Sell your stock. After the lawsuits, mass exodus of even the vax fans due to overwork, suppliers saying "no" and so forth, Cisco will implode.

So Fran just said on the Check-In that between people uploading their vaccine cards and the exemption requests they've received that we are at 68%. Seems a bit off from the 90% expectation they had based on the surveys.

"You are selfish enough to put others at risk"

You are either a troll or astoundingly ignorant. Vax does not prevent spread of covid.

The only entitled aspect going on is those who want to tell others what to do with their bodies. If you are a PR shill, you are awful at it.

How lovely the work environment will be when all the entitled teenagers are walked out of the door because they refuse to take the vaccine. This is hilarious.

And no, I don't care about your drama - you are bringing this on yourselves. Actions, consequences. You are selfish enough to put others at risk, I am selfish enough to want you gone.

I’m surprised how much C and F are coddling the anti-vaxxers. You’d think it’d be a “shut up and get the shot or get the eff out” but they’re being all sympathetic. Guess they know anti-vaxxers are id--ts and need to be treated like children.

Uploaded my first jab into workday this afternoon. I knew the writing was on the wall as I was the only one of 12 on the team not vaccinated. My manager was also a hold out(we are good friends outside of work). He got jabbed on Tuesday. Looking more and more like everyone is getting in line.

Medical Exemption Info: https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/uploads/1/3/7/7/137732232/medical_guidance.pdf

Religious Exemption Info:
https://religiousexemption.us/ (Please reword in your own words, but gives a good starting place).

Please be aware that the first amendment to the constitution also protects your rights to freedom of religion:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

"Wonder if they are not going to talk about this today, because there is a specific meeting about it tomorrow."

Yeah - the timing is weird. But I can't see how they can possibly avoid this in today's meeting.

The end of Cisco is nigh.

Wonder if they are not going to talk about this today, because there is a specific meeting about it tomorrow.

To the person who almost died from the last vaccine shot they received: I hear you and see you. Many many people are sick or dead from having taken this shot. You’re not alone and your pain is valid.

Many of us are in similar boats. I have family that is vaccine damaged, many people have come forth here, and many are telling their stories around the world. There are many support groups that have started up all around the internet for people damaged by this Covid shot in particular. If you want some links I can grab them for you.

You are important, and so is your story. Thank you for sharing it. Please keep sharing it. You matter. And every time you share, you help someone else who is hurting. You helped me today.

Thank you.

"Some of us almost died from the first shot"....you seriously believe that? Actually I think you do. This is great :)

You drama queen. Grow a pair boys.

"Its a vaccination"

Some of us almost died from the first shot. You didn't, great for you. But for those at risk, this is garbage.

Listen to yourselves. American's really are funny. This site is hilarious.

Get a grip chaps. Its a vaccination. People get vaccinated. Its called progress.
Weird that you folks that work for a high tech company think progress is bad.

I say progress but vaccination has been around since 1796.....and is reckoned to be really quite a good thing. The world is crying out for it. Not in red neck America apparently.

Too funny guys. Use your moral outrage to argue against the NRA or racism....but vaccination?

§ 1605.1 “Religious” nature of a practice or belief.

In most cases whether or not a practice or belief is religious is not at issue.

However, in those cases in which the issue does exist, the [Commission] will define religious practices to include moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.

This standard was developed in United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965) and Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333 (1970).

I am vaccinated, but decided this morning it is simply time to go. This place just gets more and more bats**t crazy every month that passes. It is not really about the vaccine working or not working. More like the ELT needs to be mostly replaced ASAP and it seems like Fran is running the company these days.

You're not alone - I'm leaving too. Been around for 6 years and would have stayed for another 6 because I love the people I work with and I care deeply about our customers and the cool things we make. But the leadership of this company has shown too many times that they are willing to hurt people for the sake of greed. This vaxx mandate is just another example.

Love you cisco Fam - the real family, the real people. I invite you to come with. I've found out the last two days that the hiring market is ridiculously hot, inflation has increased wages by a large percentage, and managers/recruiters are calling back quickly and often.

I love you all Cisco, even if you hate me for taking a stand against tyranny. I hope you all get the normalcy you are looking for. I will miss you. You all have been my family for almost 14.5 years, but it’s time to go.

Peace and good rest to all who are fighting the good fight and standing up for the rights of all humanity. I salute you, and thank you for your service to this world.

I hope you get good rest, and wake up with vigor for the morning. The lions are strong, and God wins.

Corp shills and pr staff have gone to bed.

Note for them when they get back to work:

This isn't about the vax. It's about how this is being handled. You didn't give people enough time to get exemptions. It takes a long time now to get a doctor appointment. Takes a while to get them to fill out the form. You messed up on your timing, corp.

You are committing an atrocity. Vulnerable people will die as a direct result of your mandate if they are given the choice of being homeless or dead. Some will just take the shot and die.

Hello all who value freedom (vaccinated or not) - I'm coming up with some ideas and plans, connecting people (with their express permission & only if they want), and sharing any valuable info I have. Feel free to contact me if you would like to get involved. ActionNetworkNow @ Protonmail

I will be suing the company. There will be many of us. Get the class action ready. Document everything; all emails, all messages all verbal conversations. Contact local political leaders. If you are lucky to live in a free state, contact you Governor's office, AG and reps.

They may win in the short term, but we will own them in the long term.

When do we gather and start the walk outs? And how? We need to organize. Tons of folks against this, just need to get us all together.

For all the people claiming a religious exemption, how do you justify it when the Pope and other religious leaders have said there's nothing in their religion that is against the vaccination?

I was raised in the "bible belt", specifically in TX, and there was nothing in my religious upbringing that said no vaccinations.

Every time you speak out against tyranny - You give another person the courage to do the same.

Thank you everyone who is speaking up.

That said, you knew what the agreement was when you chose to serve I believe. There is a difference here, since last I checked none of us agreed to vaccinations especially ones under EUA to be mandated to take or lose your employment at Cisco.

They're no longer under EUA, so that's no longer a valid defense. And, there was quite a bit under the UCMJ I was unaware of when I joined.

Secondly, as far as your statement "we knew this was coming"? I find that interesting that you have been able to already memory ho-e that earlier this year Biden (Dec.) & Jen Psaki (July) said there would not be a vaccine mandate.

And how many lies did Trump tell during his 4 yrs as President? How many times did he change decisions? We knew this was coming because companies were requiring it before the Biden admin required it for Federal contractors. Hospitals, fire & police departments, assisted living places, airlines, etc. were starting to mandate it before that.

Finally, there are individuals who should be protected by the ADA due to medical conditions beyond their control who will be cast aside in this process since Cisco will preside over whether you get to keep your job and measure you worth to the company. This may happen regardless if you & your Dr. have agreed that this vaccination may cause harm in your particular health situation. Maybe you are okay with this and my guess if you are you've never dealt with a serious life threatening health issue in your life.

Cisco has stated that you're allowed to claim a medical exemption. At least Cisco isn't putting you on a LOA and terminating you if you have the exemption, at least to my knowledge. Airlines are terminating staff even with exemptions.

You should do some research on ADA, EEOC, HIPAA, and vast numbers of other laws, regulations and the Constitution that make this illegal. Current admin is temporary. People's memories aren't.

I think you need to do the research. HIPAA says people and companies in the medical field cannot share a person's medical info with others without written consent from the patient. How is requiring a vaccination, or even self certifying that you've been vaccinated, a violation of HIPAA?

Employers have been able to require vaccinations and other safety requirements for decades. Schools have been able to require vaccinations like MMRS, etc. How is this different? And don't say it's because of the EUA, because it's been fully certified now. If requiring a vaccination was constitutionally illegal, the military--the people who defend this country--would not be required to get vaccinations for whatever area of operations they are being deployed to, on top of all the basic US vaccinations required.

Despicable. Not enough time to get specialist to fill out provided form. Clearly an effort to make it difficult if not impossible to get a medical exemption. Criminals.

Cisco doesn't have to play ball. No one does. The Federal Government would stop overstepping their boundaries we put in place via the constitution, if American companies would just say "nah, we're not going to comply". They would have no one to take their business to.

The federal government - are our employees. The constitution tells them what rights they are not allowed to interfere with. They have overstepped many freedoms in forcing medical procedures on our populous. Especially experimental medical procedures - that don't seem to be working well and have no long term studies. What happens when all our military comes down with cancer or heart defects in a few years, because - well we didn't know - there were no long term studies?

They are forcing this on our children - all of them. What happens if they find out in 3 years it makes people infertile? Or less fertile? There goes humanity.

Also - forced medical procedures are never okay. It's your body - your right to chose what happens to it.

And if you're standing behind the vaxx for the "possible" good to the populous - You only need one kidney right? It's better for the good of all if people with anyone with two kidneys gives up one to someone who has no functional kidney right? So you're up for forced removal of one kidney in people with two... right?

"Not so much. It's an EO that is likely to be thrown out.

Several states are also contesting the law as well as having EOs (and soon to be laws) that ban vaccine mandates. States have all rights that are not reserved to the federal government by the Constitution and congress. That does not include acts by the President. Federal Congress has NOT passed a vaccine mandate."

I agree that it isn't a federal law and we should leave this up to the states, vaccines have always been handled at the state level. That doesn't help Cisco as the EO hasn't been thrown out and it looks like the courts aren't about to do that. If we want those federal contracts then we need to play ball. I am all for choice and both myself and Cisco have made a choice. I got the J&J on Saturday. So far so good on that front. I never thought the vaccines unsafe just no need for a 30 something in good health. Haven't really thought about it(the jab) since Saturday until looking at this thread.

I am with Martin Luther King Jr.:

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws”

He defined that morality this way:
“Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.”

It is vastly degrading to human personality in my opinion to fire people, starve them (by not allowing to shop), and kicking them out of society - for a personal medical choice.

"You can scream at Cisco but it is just following the law."

Not so much. It's an EO that is likely to be thrown out.

Several states are also contesting the law as well as having EOs (and soon to be laws) that ban vaccine mandates. States have all rights that are not reserved to the federal government by the Constitution and congress. That does not include acts by the President. Federal Congress has NOT passed a vaccine mandate.