Is anything being done to stop the bleeding in EMIT? Does anyone even care that so many are leaving? I think all of the good ones are gone.
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@6dni+1aEf4gsF - Big words coming from someone that probably struggles with his Outlook and Zoom.
When EMIT tolerates poor fraud employees who fake their LinkedIn degrees and call themselves data science executives and managers .. you know there is a serious problem. Once who do not do any real work and are not capable of committing any real work, are out in some. sort of management positions. Retribution is coming but the technical guys will pay and the fake managers will survive... this is how EM works.
EMIT? Good ones? Smart ones? In the same sentence? Gimme a break. If they were either they wouldn't be working for XOM. At best we get mediocre people from average Midwestern and Canadian schools. EMIT management are the least offensive of the mediocre - amazing that we are paying them the same as the engineers who actually made this company what it used to be. Opportunistic careerists. Tail wagging the dog if there ever was one. Outsource them like every other company has long done, not a tear will be shed.
I feel for folks in EMIT that are no longer valued. Especially those there a long time that may not be in a position to start all over somewhere else. What a sh-t show.
It’s a real shame what happened to EMIT over the years. Used to be some really great technical folks in the US back when they were onsite with the business. Once they were no longer onsite things started going downhill quickly. You no longer had technical people that actually knew the business and how it operated. Who cares if you know how SAP works if you don’t know how our own business works.
EMIT management f—ked up royally the past 10-15 years by focusing on what they thought the business wanted versus what the business really needed. I can’t believe half a billion was spent on the downstream SAP system that quite frankly sucked and wasn’t any better than what they had before. Should’ve spent that money on new modern technology that could’ve gotten us away from 1970’s tech.
Let's zoom out. What headcount target is needed across all of XOM? It was 72k at year-end.
Assuming migration of positions, etc, what is the target in US, Europe, etc?
I venture to say it might be 60k, or 65k if lucky.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264122/number-of-employees-at-exxon-mobil-since-2002
Whats your guess?
We love doing business with ourselves. I need a ticket, no ticket no problem....
We have a hit ama this morning. Let the lying commence.
Staying in EMIT the past 6 years has been a huge regret on my part. I’m going to have to do some serious self studying now to catch up. The tech stack and ecosystem is out dated and managers have no clue wtf they’re talking about besides buzz words like telling everyone to go automate and be agile when they haven’t coded a line in over a decade (if they’ve even coded before).
I didn’t realize how far behind we were until I spoke with some colleagues at other companies.
Some of us learned DW wanted to cut emit even further than what he did. Pair that with the fact that KS and execs continue to sell the BTC as a success and that we’ve outsourced many of our projects to infosys, who continue delivering cr-p, while those of us who care struggle to get things to actually work and you’re left with burnt out employees jumping at the first opportunity we see.
My team has lost many, I plan to jump in the coming month and two others are waiting to see who’s left after the next 8% cut.
As a EMIT developer why should I put up with an appraisal system that is going to put one of the team as NSI. Take your humiliating label Mr Manager and stick it! Talk teamwork all year then stick it to one of us.
On the other hand, the leadership team are non technical and don't really understand what I am doing which gives me a great deal of, call it latitude , in how I spend my day..........,.,..
But overall, EMIT sucks......
The good ones are hirable and will leave. The bad apple will stay since they will not be hired by anyone sane.
People in EMIT can go for entire careers (30+ years) and never interact with a “real” customer. Large swaths of that function are so inwardly focused on doing business with themselves that they have no credibility or relationship with their end customers to even start having discussions around architecture and standardization. The customers also bear responsibility: when they are looking to solve business problems or change the way they work using IT, they go to the major consultancies first, and don’t even engage EMIT until contracts have been signed and decisions made in their own siloes.
Former emit here, glad I left as I wasn’t a culture fit / emit purposely moved people around every 2-3 years so you never got marketable externally.
Counterpoint: the other companies always complain about emit , but never look inward at their own problems. My group wanted and suggested an enterprise roll out for our system (ie best practice ) and standardize across the globe to lower our costs , make us more efficient, etc.... only to get pushback from each and every business location . They all wanted custom to their site / location / unit.... basically making us run 150+ Individual custom instances, neither cost effective or scalable from a support perspective. Could we push back? Yes up until the first manager level who was on assignment from the business (so not IT background) and basically said “give the businesses what they want”.
When you’re purposely setup to fail , and then are used as a scapegoat (emit sucks we’re just gonna hire an MSP!) , of course anyone with alternatives is going to leave.
Until they get an actual technology background leader at (is it still Mike brown?) the president leader, it’s always going to be a mess. “Keep spending flat to down” - ok how do we run projects deploy new sites that go into our yearly opex base costs and keep our opex flat?
If they think outsourcing to an MSP is magically going to solve their issues.... well LOL good luck.
I am one of the US EMIT developers who left and let me tell you that it's one of the best decisions I have ever made in my entire life. I am so much happy now and excited to work every day even though the pay is a little less. I can truly say that I am a hardcore Software Developer again. At ExxonMobil, orgs tend to deploy and use out-of-the-box solutions from 3rd-party vendors. Developers are not needed, only glorified deployers who will end up knowing nothing but deploying. When downturns happen, these deployers will end up nowhere. I know that there's a little bit of development happening somewhere in EMIT, but of course EMIT offshores these activities to Curitiba, KL, or India. So I am so happy I left. Software development is my passion.
EMIT Managers, including LT-level are aware of the problem. However it’s not within their span of control to effectively address the problems, which are actually worse at some GBC’s than even the US. They have a very similar problem but at a larger scale than 2015-16 and hopefully they come up with something better than repeating the same “CDSE” mistake that wasted tens of millions on consultants and services companies that then turn around and sell that organizational knowledge and expertise to their other clients instead of developing and retaining employees. At this point, I’m more concerned that the attrition problems will lead the “corporation” (all non-IT people) to decide just to cut the entire thing off and let someone else (i.e. an MSP company) run even more of IT instead of trying to address the loss of trust which honestly has already rotted the entire function to its core. I know people at surprisingly high levels that are sick of how EMIT operates and are looking to get out, so the attrition is far from “done”.
What actual value EMIT delivers to corp.? None. All of their processes are old, technology, old. Behind other tech companies. Mgmt. doesnt want to learn fast and hence keep throwing money at supporting old tech. And then they want to source it out. So there you have it.
We talk about digital transformation and then pay less than the market to talent in this area. I had to slow down at least two projects because of attrition in EMIT. The reality is that the corporation does not value the skills that we need for digital transformation
EMIT is being outsourced to HCL Enterprises and other 3rd Party Lower Cost Business Enterprise Companies.
It should be no surprise that EMIT staff are resigning for gainful employment in other IT companies before XOM redundancy occurs.
Most who join EMIT become technology d-mb if they stay more than 5 years. Those who stay only wants to become a manager one day. Managers who might end up in the PIP list once in the event there's another downturn. So it's definitely a solid no for both career paths.
Covid again, huh?
It is the culture and the fact 5 years in ExxonMobil IT leaves you 10 years behind in technology. So what is the surprise in this attrition.
I've seen the better hires in EMIT averaging 2-3 years before moving on.
I've been seeing that for at least 10 years.
With EMIT BSC in India severely affected by COVID, EMIT is paralyzed. India has become the backbone and the rest of the EMIT body parts could not function. Well, alright, there are other back fillers like KL, but COVID has put a lot of pressure on remaining EMIT peeps who are really overworked, that's why many continue to leave. Nothing gets done these days. Sigh.
EMIT folk must be smarter than I imagined.
At least the best of them.
EMIT knows when the circus bout to close.
That sweet clown hitches a train.
Trust is lost. Pay is not competitive. Skills are transferable. All about the GBCs
The smart ones leave, because they can, and simply because they are smart. EM and the oil & gas industry as a whole is on a downward trajectory, why would they stay. Even if EM counters the offers of those leaving, they surely would not want to wake up one day and regret staying at EM.