Looks like we're sc-aping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to new hires. To say that incompetence reigns supreme would be an understatement. It just goes to prove that any person worth their salt is staying as far away from Wells Fargo as they can. Can anybody blame them?
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I’ve reread this dispute a few times... the jury is in:
@zel+18xs3Eqc clearly does not possess the basic level of reading comprehension to understand @vlv+18xs3Eqc.
@vlv+18xs3Eqc has clearly explained the 5th option, those who are indifferent to or want to be better than the past and are simply here to perform to the best of their personal ability while not being a part of the problem.
Being a change agent in a corrupt institution does require an indifference to the corrupt old powers and a certain swashbuckling style that allows, if not DEMANDS indifference to the old guard which created the problems.
Those who have been change agents quickly understand and back his point. Those who don’t need to get out of the way.
https://www.thelayoff.com/p/@1uup+18xs3Eqc
Met folks like you, probably you in fact.
I hope you get on track.
Let’s face it, no real software engineer would want to work at WF. Those people are at real tech companies. Those at WF are 3rd tier tech workers. Just look at all WF digital platforms and sites. No brainer.
Odd never saw a boomer with Play-Dough in a safe space.
Post ID: @2uie+18xs3Eqc “ Boomers are less hypersensitive than millennials.”
Hen man! I just wanted to tell you that I agree 100%. I don’t know why your other post was removed, because you called it.
To the OP, new hires are going to mess up, try being a mentor and not a troll.
A career is long, and you never know who you'll run into in a year or five or ten.
Being a boomer myself, maybe I can explain what I see.
I worked at Bell Labs back in the day and we worked on what was then called Unix System V and ported it to the SPARC chip. No biggie but it was fun and I've subsequently worked with Unix for 30 years. Tons of Unix/Linux network and database experience, messaging systems etc. Us old timers had to know a lot about everything to get by. Specializing was a luxury nobody had time for until recently.
These days, I sit on EACO calls and smile as 40 people try to figure out something that most senior level engineers could figure out in 5 mins but because we can't have the level of access required to assess the issue, we can't do d–k. That access goes to someone offshore who may be competent and may have a nice degree that they recently acquired but under pressure when the business is screaming and revenue generating systems are down, maybe not the best choice.
I've argued and fought with management about it and the good thing about beating your head against a wall is that it feels good when you stop. So if my job is now to fill out spreadsheets or perform other mundane tasks, so be it. I can't be bothered changing jobs so yes, I will continue to collect a paycheck until I retire or, if I'm really lucky, get laid off - hopefully it will save someone else's job.
That, unfortunately, is where a lot of us boomers are stuck. It has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting to work, it's about doing what you're told and wasting years of knowledge. Imagine if they set up an apprenticeship program - nah, that would make sense.
Post ID: @2uie+18xs3Eqc
- You should first verify whether your sources are reliable.
- I’m not a boomer, but I see plenty of narcissistic behavior in both young, middle-aged, and old.
- Zero respect for anyone who uses derogatory terms.
New study says boomers are more sensitive than millennials
A new study has found that baby boomers — people born from 1946 to 1964 — are more hypersensitive and have more narcissistic tendencies than younger generations. The outsized viral reaction of boomers to the "OK boomer" meme seemed to prove that, but now, it's official. It's science that boomers are more likely than millennials to be "snowflakes," to use a word they seem to love.
https://megaphone.upworthy.com/p/boomers-more-sensitive-millennials#:~:text=A%20new%20study%20has%20found,narcissistic%20tendencies%20than%20younger%20generations.&text=It's%20science%20that%20boomers%20are,word%20they%20seem%20to%20love.
Clearly, Charlie can not lead this company out of turmoil, if his leadership style has employees at each other’s throats.
Young vs old, new vs long-term, California vs NY, US vs offshore, race vs race, gender vs gender, manager vs employee, overpaid privileged senior execs vs everyone beneath them, in-the-know vs not-in-the-know, those that think they are the only ones working hard vs “the slackers”, etc.
Sounds like the perfect setup for Wells Fargo to destroy itself from the inside out.
Post ID: @1psw+18xs3Eqc
Come on now. Hopefully someone at WFC can teach you how to express yourself without the need to copy and paste someone else’s words.
yea that one looks right old school they are useless along with the new hires. Only one's who should stay are those 1.5 - 3 years in. Everyone else can go. Middle management has ethics issues.
Post ID: @1glj+18xs3Eqc
The text below is precisely the definition of old school WFC dead weight. Thanks for proving my point.
Wells Fargo old timers are those who fit the following:
”More often than not, you’re all bluster and no substance. Can’t work with people. Cause more problems than you solve because you don’t listen. Eventually you are exposed, you blame everyone else for your failure”.
Thanks for making my point.
Do I need to start a list of names ?
Seriously, folks, the least useful thing you can do is to worry about other people. It shows that you're petty and jealous, and probably not very good at what you do.
You're projecting.
Also, see Dunning-Kruger.
Now, quit slacking and get back to work.
Merry Christmas.
Post ID: @1umo+18xs3Eqc
Hey! Where did yours smart (a–) post about the talented ethical new hires go?
The people getting hired are unqualified, really just make things more expensive and harder all around
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I’ll bet the new hires who complain about the “old timers” are here because their “old timer” parents worked long and hard years to help put them through college.
Post ID: @1umo+18xs3Eqc
What does that mean? Try to communicate like an educated adult.
Exact the opposite in Treasury – a bunch of BofA folks are having to clean up messes created over years at Wells, by people that are mostly still there.
You wouldn’t know
Post ID: @1shs+18xs3Eqc
The truth is: smart, talented, ethical, happy people don’t use derogatory slurs like “snowflake.”
Post ID: @1egt+18xs3Eqc
So it sounds like you agree that the company is not hiring good people. That the new people are inexperienced.
You don’t like the old timers or the new hires?
Post ID: @1uup+18xs3Eqc
Well - righteous means ethical and decent, so thank you.
Cynical -yes I am cynical towards employees like you. Can’t help it. I see you come in thinking you are better than everyone else and are here to “save the day”. More often than not, you’re all bluster and no substance. Can’t work with people. Cause more problems than you solve because you don’t listen. Eventually you are exposed, you blame everyone else for your failure and you leave.
Condescending? I enjoy putting arrogant people in their place. I don’t think that’s condescending, but if it is-I guess I’m cool with that.
there are a ton of old timers here, they are trying to make company go bankrupt, doing bad hires, holding back progress, bad hires and inexperienced people they can control; anything they can do to stop it.
No stopping it now, Chainsaw said your next on his list along with more of you
@ 1gwb+18xs3Eqc
You are probably one of the pompous old timers that expired a long time ago. I honestly do not give a sh– to how you feel. Again, I will fix the issues regardless of how the old crew feels, period. If you don’t like, that’s fine with me. Push me out.
"working to live rather than living to work", lol. I've met a lot of people that say some variation of this, and not one was a hard worker or dedicated. People that say that are 'do the minimum not to get fired and to keep collecting pay checks' types. Maybe you're the exception, but the vast majority with the mindset are not hard workers.
You come across as righteous, condescending and extremely cynical
Get off your high horse. You are a joke
Post ID: @1dyr+18xs3Eqc
No matter how many times try to put a different spin on your comments, you come across as self-serving, arrogant and flawed: see #3.
All I had to do was get you talking, and you proved my point. Easy pickins.
@ zel+18xs3Eqc
Did you read the post you’re responding to?
The sentence was “indifferent to the old culture” not “indifferent to the issues”.
A course in text comprehension would be a good idea.
The expression “indifferent to the old culture” means I will fix the issues I was hired to fix regardless of which old timer will be mad about it, period. I am indifferent to the old culture which is toxic and corrupt and I’m very proud of it. Wells can let me go at anytime if they dislike my approach. Like I said, I’m paid proportionally to the personal reputation risk I’m taking for being temporarily associated with a dysfunctional company. Don’t like it? That’s fine with me. I’m financially independent and have marketable skills that can be applied elsewhere.
I’m just here to help deliver the best and most memorable meetings and events for our hard working leaders as I possibly can. There’s always some money in some budget to make it happen and it really supports our thought leaders.
Post ID: @buv+18xs3Eqc
Really? You are going to fix a scandal-plagued corporation? And you are indifferent to the issues that are causing the problems you were hired to fix? I’m betting the regulators would love to hear about such indifference, because that is the same arrogance/attitude they are wanting Charlie to address. Just ask Betsy Duke about her indifference.
Not exactly true. I actually came to WF for the challenge and all the good work that is needed to get done. I left a comfortable well paying job at a peer bank to re-accomplish what was done at previous role in standing up an enterprise program. No regrets thus far.
5 - Someone who is indifferent to the old culture, is not part of the problem was hire to fix it, get paid for the personal risk involved in joining a broken org and then move on. Retire early in the process.
That’s me.
Post ID: @xka+18xs3Eqc
That’s cool. Not sure who said anything about “gung-ho ra-ra BS”, though. Certainly not me.
Especially all the BofA hires.
Post ID: @xnd+18xs3Eqc
It's called working to live rather than living to work. You show up every day, work hard, take pride in your work then you go home again and forget it. If you personally like all the gung-ho ra-ra BS, have at it but not everyone feels the same.
Post ID: @ecd+18xs3Eqc
There might be a 5th more idealistic category I didn’t think of, but you’re definitely not in it. You sound like you’re at least 3 of the 4 I mentioned. Your use of the word “indifferent” says a lot about you. Sorry.
@vlv+18xs3Eqc , if you can’t fathom a 5th option, those who are indifferent to or want to be better than the past and are simply here to perform to the best of their personal ability while not being a part of the problem, then you yourself are part of the problem you lament about.
there are a lot of them posting on linkedin today, as just being hired and starting now and like week 1 Jan .
At what level are these people being hired? If executive, then who cares. They come in knowing to nod their head and do what they are told while they fill their bank accounts.
I'd do it too.