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What do you do when your manager is a coward?

My manager talks a big game when they are meeting with the team, but when they are confronted about specific requests, they turn into a coward. My team is in danger of being sc-apped, and my manager is scared to death to talk about a change in role and deliverables to leadership that could help the team show value.

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In my experience.. ESPECISLLY at Wells Fargo but in many other places as well. The managers’ qualities that got them into their position is this skill at BSing. In meetings they are team players and they will adapt to any change, but in the office or around their subordinates... it’s a whole different story. Many of them taking their frustrations out on the people at the bottom of the corporate ladder and at the bottom of the popularity pool

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Post ID: @2kll+18lvAwaR

My manager is always between me and to accomplish some thing. Being new I don't scare him, although he is coward.

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Post ID: @1xag+18lvAwaR

Thanks for posting. I have the same issue. Instead of trying something new or being aggressive with automation and allowing us to fail, or pushing back, he crawls under his desk to afraid of his manager. For those saying we are bloated. We are not in our area because of bad processes. It takes too long to get work approved and completed. It's only gotten worse after WF p-ss-d off the regulators. I think I'm going to get either layed off today or have more work piled on I can't done

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Post ID: @1cjr+18lvAwaR

Please be more be specific.

Most WF managers are like that.

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Post ID: @1ddy+18lvAwaR

@fio

I agree with you, I been around tech long time. It just occurred to me Wells tech managers are really bureaucratic administrators. They aren't interested in the tech or whether their team is working efficientl0y with tech or smartly as long as it satisfies the whimsy of the bureaucracy.

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Post ID: @1inw+18lvAwaR

well @fio is right, it's 1950s style of mgmt, top down - you can do very little about it - it's a warped culture. just follow what the management tells you to do and if that bothers you try to find a different job at a smaller company that's not so heavy hierarchy driven. you cannot change wells, it'll take a major stress event to make a dent in its current culture - i have very little hope that this company will adjust and thrive. it looks to me it'll be broken down and absorbed by other companies (in chunks or as a whole)

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Post ID: @prl+18lvAwaR

I’d bring the idea to their boss then. What’s the worst that can happen? If your whole team is on the cutting block, there’s only upside.

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Post ID: @vqm+18lvAwaR

What line of business? Because in retail most managers are very under qualified and uneducated. They just got their positions because they used to game core solutions and that’s all that used to matter

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Post ID: @hha+18lvAwaR

IT here. Sort of management, not a people manager here though.

At real tech companies, I always worked with my manager, not for my manager.

Once in my first IT job, lowest guy on the team, I had a long shouting match with the CIO, in my cube, and after he realized he was wrong, he made a joke, slapped me on the back, and we went back to work.

We always cared more about getting it right than being right.

Wells is not that way. Wells is top down, which is the cause of 80% of the problems here. I can't imagine telling my boss's boss's boss that they're wrong, and then standing my ground like that here.

It's like the management style from the 1950s, but with tech from the early 1990's.

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