Oh, the Phoenix aero lab. OT cut to zero unless TG gives the thumbs up. But wait! We still have commitments for the remainder of 2020 so let’s work together, hand in hand, synergistically and maybe you will be allowed to do some OT.
Uh....no. I’m over it.
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And again, to add to what I just wrote...if your world is building the same thing over and over in a commercial setting, then the idea of unrecorded overtime is of no consequence to you or your contract, or bidding the next contract. Illegal, but of no consequence in bidding the next contract other than artificially keeping burden rates down.
However, the world I lived in, when I was an employee, was often spending years developing and building a one-off something that had never been done before, or stretched existing technology to a level most people could not believe could be done. The only way to do something like this is via Cost Plus Fixed Fee. Not many of those contracts around, as the company is not remotely interested in advancing any art. More than once, we'd "win" a job only to find that it was to be done in 2/3 the cost as any similar project. Protests from everyone on the team to the finance guys would yield a response from them that "there were no numbers to support your worries or concerns". that would also invariably be followed by "you guys NEED to charge your time!!!" That always gave the green light to those wishing to avoid their spouse or whatever the case was, to work relentlessly on the project without entering in more than mandatory 40 hours plus EEI. It was like living in a Bizarro world where admonishment to capture labor invariably resulted in free, unaccounted-for labor...in spades! Those of us who charged accurately were often the ones accused of not being "efficient". It was a lousy work environment the last 7-10 years.
exactly
everyone who says it doesn't matter, doesn't relate to rates charged to customer, or otherwise doesn't need to be accounted for either doesn't work for Honeywell, are too new to have been to a time charging class, or are so smart that they're certain their fraudulent activity either will never be discovered or at least reported. They're usually right, by the way, thus supporting their beliefs. I've worked with all 3 types and the last one is the most arrogant, as they are certain that their self sacrifice is both noble and appreciated. Their virtue-signaling can be stifling, and unscrupulous boss' who have plausable deniability in the deciet love these employees and make sure they go to the head of the class, while those who insist on filing time legally are often singled out for 9 block purgatory or rotten assignments.
I recall a government audit of time charging in Phoenix and Tempe that concluded that ALL exempt time charging engineers MUST charge all of their time. If it cannot be charged to a project, it MUST be charged to overhead since all of the charging is taken into account to establish hourly rates for the next year. If your boss doesn't understand this, then they need to contact the time charging gurus. More to the point, project work must be charged to the project, not eaten in overhead.
It doesn't matter how much is charged (or not charged) to a specific project as far as using these project hours to include in an estimate for future business. The "business" team knows how much the customer is willing to spend, so the cost estimate is adjusted downward to attempt to win the business, no matter how accurate the proposal.
And assuming the business is "won", the project workers are provided the budget which the business team used to win the business, usually much less than the lowest estimate provided by the estimators.
So while there may be valid reasons to make sure that an accurate number of hours are charged to a project, obtaining future business is not one of them.
To complete my thoughts on my previous post below: If you feel morally compelled or compelled by your boss in order to keep your job, you must absolutely log in your labor. You won't get paid for it, but the actual hours needed to be spent to complete the job will be recorded. These hours will support any audit of future projects during the bid and execution phase.
Again, if you work "off the books" you are cheating your friends plus the company for the next contract insofaras the finance folks will have bad numbers associated with the bid and will continually underbid contracts. It is a vicious cycle and it is driven and promoted by the "do-gooders" and the "git-er-doners". So STOP IT. Record all of your hours.
I don't know what division you work in and I suspect you're not even a Honeywell employee from your statement. ALL bids are based on actuals, at least in Space and Defense work, and the primary problem with many projects is that they were bid on historic charged hours for similar work. Stupid engineers with a "git-er-done" attitude on previous projects totally screw up the bid process for new projects because "actuals" don't begin to account for all of the ACTUAL labor involved on the previous project. As a now-retired engineer I cannot tell you how frustrating it was to get a new contract, see that it was woefully under-bid and hear the same dorks who caused that to happen moan about all of the "free" time they were going to have to put into the project for the umpteenth time. Stupid Is as Stupid Does.
The sign is on the wall. Cheap labor. HTS does the work, MX manufactures. Daily squeeze and micromanagement. You're just took expensive. They want you working at 1/2 the salary. The trend will continue.
DO NOT work overtime and spend that time looking for a new job Instead of working for free. Honeyhell only will award a 2% raise to an employee who works free overtime. This isnt even enough to keep up with inflation, meaning most employees get a pay cut every year no matter how hard they work or what they achieve. Don't get scammed by Honeyhell. Find a new job and leave without notice ASAP.
Exempt employees can work all the free OT they want. You just can’t charge it to a project because what limited funding that is left is reserved for HTS.
US and Canadian employees need to worry about this extreme trend.
LOL @ Tempe R&O next week the rumor is mandatory 56 hours! You see when your failed transition causes massive delays you make it the employees' fault and force them to work OT. Well they are not getting even 0.1 hours extra from me. Take your OT and shove it!!
If you plan your work right, you don’t need OT. I would know.
LOL