Original Sept. statement printed on 10/12/20, handed out at Oct. meeting, it was “pieced together too quick.” YTD in both columns. That was the excuse. New version just handed out, printed on 10/26/20. YTD is Oct’19-Sep20, the numbers printed on 10/12/20 should be the same as the number on 10/26/20. Those numbers should not have changed since the last day of September. However, here is a list of the YTD columns (for the year) that suddenly decreased in funds. GE Member Dues, Total Income, Steward Lost Time, Union Member Lost Time, Officer Lost Time, GE Payroll Expense, Total Expense, and Unrealized Gains/Loss. Dividends suddenly increased as well as Net Ordinary Income. Not good. From 10/12/20 to 10/26/20 somehow, the YTD, Net Income DECREASED by a Total of $47,372.03. How is that possible? I looked at the investments, I saw a new column listed on the new September statement version called Gain/loss for Month. Never had that column before and it’s not on October’s statement. It shows the mutual fund losing a total of $81,498.21 from the end of August to the end of September. Wow. That s—s. That specific investment account is now at a zero balance, the money was transferred into the other account because it’s safer, according to our BA. I do the math and the numbers don’t add up. It looks like $34,051.17 didn’t make it into the safer account. I was expecting the number to be closer to $81,498.21 since that was the total loss for our mutual fund. Then I realize if I add the $34,051.17 to the $47,372.03 (also add the 1.41 and 73.60 that was shown as negative in the accounts) it gives me the total loss of $81,498.21. Why does the statement (that they created) show that our mutual fund took that loss, but the numbers show they reduced the numbers in the area’s listed above to make up for $47,372.03. The mutual account did not decrease the full $81,498.21, it decreased about $33,976.16 (taking into account the -75.01) And our overall Net Income decreased by $47,372.03. Where did $47,372.03 really go? Our Net Income for the year Oct’19-Sep20 did not suddenly decrease between 10/12/20 and 10/26/20. This does not make sense, much like everything else that hall turns out. I’m ready for the lies and BS excuses. The DOL can go right to the source and bypass the BS. I can’t wait for them to complete their investigation. This sh-t does not make sense.
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“Supporters,” like it’s a contest, lol. Classic thinking from someone who depends on convincing people to “support” what he says. I don’t need to convince anyone, this ain’t a game. It’s not a he said vs she said. Nobody give a flying fck who supports who. The numbers and evidence will not lie and do not lie. I can and will continue to put the information that I find for people to see. Agree or not, who cares. The only people who can help the membership certainly cared and continue to “support” me. I have who matters listening, they will sort it out and decide just how serious the situation is. Deal with it or go cry to your supporters.
Comprehension is really important. Read this slow. You’re an id–t for accepting lies and excuses that do not make sense. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. I have said many times, I don’t give a sh– if you or anyone else agrees with me or not. The important people got what they needed, they were more concerned than I was. They have the ability to look deep and they’re doing it. They’ve been doing it. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me just because I say it. That’s what got the membership into trouble in the first place. Use your brain, please.
And by definition those that don’t agree with you are id–ts! Priceless. You ought to hold a meeting of your supporters in a phone booth! I suspect there will be plenty of room in that booth!
Not mindless sheep, more like id–ts for accepting lies and excuses that do not make sense. They are stealing our money, you should be just as p-ss-d as I am unless you benefit from it. I don’t know where the 47k went, if I knew I wouldn’t have asked. I gave what proof I had to the Feds, believe me when I say they agree with me. They decided to conduct a “random audit.” How cute. Now it’s a criminal investigation going back 5 years. You’re nobody important, the important people got what they needed, they have the ability to find out where the 47k went as well as the thousands more that have been stolen throughout the years. It’s not tough talk, it’s truth. Just because you don’t believe it and don’t like it doesn’t make it a lie.
“Ignore the BS” you are ignorant. It’s sad, it really is. You’re one who’s going to feel so foolish. The independent auditors do not go through everything. They are not forensic accountants. Not to mention, there are connections and favors and many things can be overlooked. You must be incredibly naive. It’s ok, you’ll get your wake up call soon. Brace yourself, it seems like you’ll be genuinely shocked!
You still have no clue. If you think this is all about the “CA” you’re wrong. That’s a small part of it. It’s a shame the Executive Board didn’t vote on it before it went to the membership as they were supposed to according to the By-Laws. It most likely wouldn’t have gotten past them, and that’s exactly why RM failed to follow the By-Laws, like usual. Don’t forget, the membership votes based on what they’re told and they were told a bunch of BS, like usual. Most of the individuals who negotiated that CA are no longer in their positions, that is NOT A COINCIDENCE. I don’t give a sh-t who wins the election. It’s not going to be up to any of us who stays in office once the investigation is over. The ex BA is irrelevant in that aspect. Little B can hide but not from them. The P won’t be there for long even if he does win. The CA can stay as is for all I care, it doesn’t hurt me personally. Schenectady can tank and will since the agreement is not working. Or, it can be modified and Schenectady can actually flow correctly again. It’s a shame the people who signed the contract on both sides would rather see the place go down than admit they fckd up. At least it was noticed fairly fast by their superiors so demotions and transfers could be handed out, keeping the damage to a minimum. SG, TO, RM, and a few others are no longer in their positions. All who negotiated your precious CA. But keep thinking small, I imagine it’s all your mind can handle.
"Ignore the BS", you are dead on. The main poster on this site feels "hurt" over the CA. All the rest (the $7K, rent on the hall, BA being paid by GE, etc.) is all noise in hopes that if they find a bad guy all of his/her decisions become "fruit of the poison tree". That is of course BS, let him/her respond now and say, "I want to vote out the current officers and retain the CA as is". Expect crickets for a response.
Crooks belong in jail, won't reverse the CA being agreed to though. That's great on both accounts!
The constant BS on here about corruption and theft is ridiculous. Now the accusation is 47K is missing? A couple weeks ago it was the "Hall" rent payments were missing or something like that lol. What a joke! Does the membership realize that a third party in Albany audits the financials for 301 and prepares all their tax forms for the IRS and DOL every single year??? 301 members have been paying for this service for 10 years. And the members pay good money to have this done every single year. In excess of $10k every year just to have this third party perform the audit and tax forms!! So either the third party audit company doesn't know what they are doing or is incompetent, or more likely all the baseless accusations on here about corruption are just that, BS! As for the CA discussion, think what you want about that. Who feels comfortable about the state of work in the plant?? We have zero work in my bay right now!! It looks like a ghost town. The company gave 301 transfers of work this year and somehow people trying to turn things around are the enemy?? You never here from the people on here about what they would do differently! If something makes us more competitive and keeps work here then I am at least interested to hear it! Maybe others don't, but I need my job!
I agree with you on the so called "CA"
I like the Consolidation Agreement. It's our, the ,members business, we voted for it and I don't much care if fed agencies are involved. Maybe some union officers have to go, but long live the Agreement!
"If the BA said he was pursing grievances and prepping on arbs full time that would be union business/company paid per the Conference Board Master Agreement. Now if that was just a rouse, that would be illegal"
Oh you mean like what the constitution and bylaws actually say is his main job? I mean other than running the day to day of the "hall", meaning the offices in side the hall building, that's all the BA is supposed to be doing, per our bylaws! Yet so many experts that claim that's not true. Many of these same experts are the ones that claim nothing has been done wrong, or is being done wrong to date. I really hope that every wanna-be who s—s up to the current P and BA, also go down when they do. Stupidity isn't a legal excuse, nor is being ignorant! There are more blind than there are seeing in 301, that's the saddest part of this entire story!! It hurts when your own suffer, but may times it takes pain to know why not to do certain things. I smile a bit when I think of the pain that is coming, its gonna hurt real bad for some, but hurt in general for all!!!
BS artists get their self worth by conning people, deep down they know they’re nothing, otherwise they’d be truthful. It’s like when this guy I once knew constantly professed to be a veteran when in reality he went awol because he couldn’t handle it. He had no idea people knew the truth so he kept lying, he continued to look d-mb AF while a few of us got some good laughs behind his back. It was great entertainment. I haven’t seen that guy in a while, it’s too bad. Most BS artists are nobodies so they lie to appear as if they’re a somebody.
As do BS artist Ha-Ha-Ha
Arrogance and a false sense of invincibility will always lead to the downfall. Those type of people self destruct in time. It’s going to be a cell well earned.
I don’t gamble. When something is as involved and complicated as this, there could be (and most likely is) many agencies involved. The IRS, DEA, DOL, and who knows who else. Local law enforcement wouldn’t be involved, too many known connections. Nobody said you have to believe me. I don’t care one way or another, it won’t effect anything going on. When you only know bits and pieces it leaves a lot of questions left unanswered. I can’t wait to be able to fill in the blanks. I don’t have the ability to do that but the people who do have been diligently working on it. Everyone will know the whole truth someday, it will be big news.
Arrest? Wanna put some $ on it?
Exactly. There was a reason the company changed the way they pay their full time Union reps. around Dec. 2019. I believe it would be considered legal right now, but prior, and while the Consolidation Agreement was being negotiated, it was very......different. Again, many reasons why the U.S. DOL is involved, it’s complicated but I have no doubt it will get sorted out. Time will tell. I want the membership to keep their eyes open and not accept what’s said as truth, they can’t. We’re all in trouble and it’s unfortunate that many can’t see it and won’t believe it until arrests are made. I don’t blame them, it’s a hard pill to swallow.
I agree with you. But just doing minimal company work is legal.
If the BA said he was pursing grievances and prepping on arbs full time that would be union business/company paid per the Conference Board Master Agreement. Now if that was just a rouse, that would be illegal
It’s not legal for the company to pay the full wage for a full time Union rep. who does zero work for the company, while the Union only pays an additional stipend. I assure you, it is absolutely illegal. Especially when it’s in violation of an already agreed upon contract. GE changed the way they pay their full time Union reps. as well as how they code the pay around December 2019. Gentlemen deals sometimes happen but at least things look good on paper.
If I were consulting with GE I’d tell them to meet with the union with following goal posts a) listen to the unions ideas and b) without rehiring anyone or restoring eliminated classification.
BTW- case law on company pay union officials provided said officials performs some regular duty work the company, is perfectly legal. 8 hrs a week on a regular job and 42 union business company paid, would be legal.
What’s done is done in terms of lay offs. I advocate making changes to the Consolidation Agreement that will ensure production doesn’t get interrupted or slowed down because of the lack of certain job classifications that were previously eliminated. The ex BA and current P made an agreement with the company that eliminated (about) 30 job classifications. We are down to 9. It’s not working on the floor. The ex BA and current P never worked on the floor yet they signed and agreed on it. Even worse, their refusal to accept and acknowledge it’s not working.
Acid test question for you sir on the CA. Tweaks fine, but please tell me you don’t advocate for bringing back even one laid-off person?
Oh...I see. No, this is much, much more than 47k. This is YEARS of 47k’s and more. Hence...the DOL going back 5 years. It’s more than just finances, for example, it’s illegal for a company to pay a full time Union officer or Union employee his/her full time wage when he/she does zero work for the company. Companies do that for power over the Union, that’s what happens when a Union is in bed with the company. The LMRDA prohibits that, it’s against the law. There must be a contractual agreement, the Union must pay a portion of the person’s wage as well as the company to keep it fair and legal. There were problems with how the Consolidation Agreement was negotiated as well as it’s content. As a Union member we were told all of the Union officers and the ABA (at the time) signed it. We were shown a copy of the final agreement, by the current P, that had a copy of the signature page with the word DRAFT written across it. We were led to believe that the final copy (without DRAFT) was somewhere else and that was all we had to look at but the content was exactly the same. We were lied to. It’s a fact that we were lied to. The current VP and ex ABA did not agree with the agreement and did not sign it. And that’s ok, but why are we being lied to? Why can’t we see the actual signature page? Why are the signatures so important that the current P is lying and actually showing the wrong signature page to try to prove that the current VP and ex ABA signed it. The agreement is not working on the floor. Whenever there is a grievance the current P always sides with the company, always. There is no more fighting for members from him. It’s to the point that he’s been asked why he always sides with the company. Now, the good thing is the agreement can be amended, yet the current BA, and current P adamantly say it’s going well. The ex BA said the agreement was working great before he left, too. He’s another mystery in itself. It’s not going well at all but they keep lying. Schenectady will be destroyed because of whatever deal those few made regarding this agreement and their refusal to change or tweak it in order to make it work. Something is very wrong.
Kinda funny, you too have to idea who I am either. I don’t have a vested interest in the outcome of all of this. But, I want you to keep it real. If 47k is just missing no one is going to jail. If an officer benefited from it directly, maybe. Stay passionate, but acknowledge your pursuit is a longshot.
I too enjoy the civil exchange but I’m not a fan your opposition to the CA. You oppose it in general or how it was passed?
You’re assuming too much. You have no idea who I am, how much I know, what I know, how I got the information I have, how involved I am/was, if I’m still involved with 301 and/or GE, or for how long. I don’t take these claims lightly. I’m not going to argue or try to change anyone’s mind. I can explain as much as I’m able to. I want to make people aware so their eyes are open. My hope is that more people start questioning the BS they’re being fed instead of accepting ridiculous excuses and explanations. The truth will come out, it’s not hidden like they think, it’s only a matter of time until. Thank you for having a civil dialogue even though we disagree, it’s appreciated! It gives me hope for the future.
I disagree with your thoughts on the Consolidation Agreement (CA) , yes it s—s but. it was "real" in the moment: 1) It unlike the Conference Board Master Agreement (serves as a "Local Agreement" it doesn't have to be filed with the DOL and 2) you have no idea about the dynamics of how the Consolidation Agreement came to be.
So put yourself in the position of the 301 officers. Say they are told off the record that Power has too much capacity world-wide. Moreover, that the Schenectady Agreement is too restrictive in allowing movement across classifications and it was strongly hinted by GE that Schenectady was going to be dust without a CA . Change it or have the site shut down. The 301 Executive Officers were "on the clock". What would you do?
The Consolidation Agreement is the sweetheart deal. It completely benefits the company and made it possible for more lay offs to happen. The top 2 Union officials signed it but have lied. They lied for a reason, I don’t know what that reason is but I know the investigators will look into it. There is something dirty around that agreement. The agreement also has not been filed with the proper gov’t agency. It’s supposed to be made available online to view. It’s supposed to be on file. It’s not. That’s a big red flag. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Fiat/Chrysler, although I’m not sure if it’s that big, I know it’s just as complicated. I know the Feds are absolutely involved. They met with a few of our Union Officers in February of this year to begin their “simple audit.” It is now considered an investigation, they are going 5 years back looking into the finances of Local 301. That only happens when suspicious activity is found. Many members have tried to deal with this issue internally, the corruption has proven to be too deep for that. It’s finally gotten the attention of people who actually want to clean house. It’s going to be eye opening for the membership, probably devastating for those that actually believed the BS lies, and vindicating for those who have tried to stop it in the past. You seem intelligent, you must know that cases take time to build, the gov’t usually has their cases made air tight before swooping in. Even knowing it’s being taken care of, it’s still infuriating to watch it keep happening and to watch the members be made to look foolish. Local 301 stopped being a Union around 2016. It was destroyed by arrogance, greed, and selfishness. Some are desperately trying to save it but it’s needs a complete overhaul to be saved. The cover ups by all levels of the Union as well as the company is unheard of. It’s no longer a Union when it gets to this level. I’ve done my research in silence. There is plenty of information out there to verify what they say and to prove it doesn’t add up and that they lie. The audit by LH stated that an officer had a loan that needed to be paid back ASAP. The LM-2 for that year did not list the loan. There are many examples like that. That’s just a small one.
I've been reading the back-n-forth on this topic. Listen, unless union leader behavior is really egregious (UAW/Fiat Chrysler being an example) the Feds aren't going to do squat. I worked the floor at GE for 30 years and then retired. I went with the sale of Silicones business which the same Int'l union (IUE-CWA) represented. In 2010, three Locals, two small units (125 +/- ee's) and one large unit were allowed (700 ee's) to vote on a concessionary package where 2/3 of all of the larger units ee's took a $ 6/hr pay cut. The large unit voted it down but the unimpacted smaller ones voted in favor.. EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN"T IMPACTED and the contract passed! UNBELIEVABLE. We employees ran off to Feds for relief, against the vote and being sold down the road in the opinion of many by the IUE-CWA Int'l. We got no relief, cases were dismissed with message that UNION members need to MANAGE their union! In 2013 and 2016 similar votes occurred were pension, hc and retiree hc were all eliminated or reduced with same voting dynamic! Nothing will happen with Fed investigation. Attention Local 301 members, MANAGE YOUR OWN BUSINESS. If you want those union officers out, recall them or vote them out!
Also, can someone detail what the "sweetheart deal" was? If they are referring to the "flexibility" deal, the members ratified that, correct?
Courage? It doesn’t take courage to say what I think should happen. Who the fck am I scared of? I don’t have the Feds looking at me! I think every single one of those mthrfckrs that manipulated and lied to the membership, that made sweetheart deals with the company, that sleeps with the company, that stole our money all for their own personal gain should be thrown in prison where they belong. The day is coming. The information is flowing to the right people. No matter how many bags of paper went through the shredder, those mthrfckrs didn’t hide sh-t.
For the future, suggest hiring an outside third party auditor, audit will be performed by a Certified Public Accountant through a firm with no relationship with IUE or any member or staff of IUE. Or else, they themselves can’t prove they “are not” in cohorts with the dishonest individual or one doing a sloppy job in performing their fiduciary responsibilities for the Local. Huge protection for the members, officers and staff as well, plus everyone will get the satisfaction their money is safe. It will eliminate some of the division amongst the members. Any division eliminated amongst the members will help the Local.
You lack courage! What do you think should happen?
Who’s the dumb–s? The one that figured this sh– out, the ones lying and stealing, or the ones who know it’s happening and do nothing? Reasonable Outcome? Not for any of us to decide, it’s been out of our hands for a while now. Ask the investigators looking into 301 what they’re thinking for a reasonable outcome? You should probably wait until they finish looking back through the full 5 years, no doubt their recommendations may change. lol
What do you think is a reasonable outcome dumb_s
The LM-2’s are completed by the 301 Officer’s, the same people who lie. I have them. I have the 990’s. The numbers do not make sense. They especially don’t make sense on the monthly financial statements. Do people not realize that the US Department of Labor only goes back to investigate 5 years when they suspect criminal activity? Is everyone that uneducated that they don’t know or is everyone that brainwashed by the Local that they believe what they say above what’s clear and obvious in front of your faces?
There were and are outside audits but they’re “fishy.” 301 is currently being investigated, going back 5 years, by the United States Department of Labor. I wish I could post the “audit” that was done by LH with the IUE after members raised concerns. She listed a whole slew of misappropriation of funds, labeled them procedural errors (or something like that) and then said there was no misappropriation. All while listing the very specific ways there most definitely was misappropriation. It was actually funny, like laugh out loud funny. Then, when the BA (who is now the ex BA) went over this “audit” at the membership meeting he completely skipped over numbers 1-6 on LH’s list of “procedural error’s” and started with number 7 claiming that he wanted to review only what mattered. He was, and I’m betting, still is so arrogant to think people don’t know the truth. He hasn’t shown his face for a year. I’m guessing the next time we see him might be when the DOL finishes their investigation. He might want to prepare his make-up for his mugshot now.
That’s innocent not incident ones.
Depends upon who completes the yearly LM-2 report. Numbers can be fudged. Always worth the money to hire “experienced labor” third party auditor to come in at end of each year to perform audit and complete all tax forms. Well worth the money for all involved and a safe guard to weed out distrustful individuals and protect the incident ones. Protects and safeguards that fiduciary responsibilities are being carried out correctly. If membership requests copy of auditor’s yearly summary will stop future conspiracy theories regarding membership’s money. Lots like to use money just as a revenge weapon to get another in trouble and disgusting especially in labor! If outside audit is not being done, membership consider passing a motion to commence, pretty simple, expensive but worth every penny!
The By-Laws clearly state that the membership has the final say. There was no vote on spending 47k. If the 47k was spent in a legitimate way, why lie on the financial statement? We are supposed to trust our Union officers, especially the ones responsible for spending our money. A lie is told to cover up the truth. That is our money that someone is spending, it’s not their’s to spend how they please without our approval or knowledge. If there was a major emergency and the Board had to approve something as expensive as 47k then you better believe we deserve to be told immediately what happened. This is BS no matter how you choose to spin it. The ones in charge of the money made a conscience decision to purposely add a column and alter the numbers to mislead the membership into believing a mutual fund took a much bigger loss than it did. That is clear as day misappropriation of funds. This is so much bigger than any of you knuckleheads are capable of comprehending.
That’s hilarious. By your reasoning, the ones in charge of the money went through the proper channels and got approval from the board to spend 47k...BUT, for reasons unknown they decided to change numbers on the financial statement instead of telling the membership what the 47k was really spent on. Hahaha, that’s good stuff right there. And there it is folks, the first BS, ridiculous, makes no sense excuse that the membership has come to expect. Classic. Happy Thanksgiving, fool! Haha!! Don’t worry about it, don’t strain your brain, the smart people will figure it out. You know, the ones that have been investigating for 1 year (possibly longer wink, wink) come February.