Wonder what TMTS change will bring out for the company, just like value chain reorg, BMR, EMRE reorg.. change name, the real problem is lack of clear direction where and how business should continue to win in the market place, and self created barriers internally to get things done. With many big investment went sour, cash gen is poor, how do you know these TMTS HW3 work out, why such bad decision happen many times ? Such big strategic moves at wrong time wrong bet how such mini step change turn the company around to make future big decision right.. but one thing for sure it keep ppl and managers busy.. cutting those coffee machines snack does not help at all, it hurt on personal touch, promote negative energy, such decision by those so called managers have not been thought properly what is leadership. Bad system, culture and behavior collectively cause such bad situations today. On another front managers said we are reactive but hey ask yourself how much do you know about the area in detail you manage, do you need fishing lot of information before you make a comment just to say something..
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4-5 years in a job role?
Tan ku ku lah!
I know for a fact that my manager became a DH, when he was 36/37 years old. But that was way back then, in better times.
But in today’s perspective:
If you count the requisite years on the job for new entries now, joining at 25 years old (22-23 for females), you’d probably get to be an SH by the time you reach 35 years, or later. And that is, only if you are constantly in Outstanding category, or better, in each PA.
Otherwise, forget it lah. You can tan ku ku.
From my standpoint as a new EM employee of less than 3 years, I have lost all my confidence in the company, it’s HR system and the global Covid19 situation had only made it worse.
Bought a BTO 2 years back, but it’s completion date has now been pushed back to 2024 (or later).
No salary increment for now, and at least for the next few years.
Our 3-month AWS looks like it’s going, going, gone.
Don’t expect to be promoted any time soon, as we were all told that we will remain in our job roles for at least 4-5 years from here on, to build up our competency levels.
Am faced with the possibility of NSI / PIP, after each year’s PA exercise - a very miserable, recurring feeling that we all need to deal with.
Car COE prices are shooting up the roof, and will likely need to take a larger loan, without deep pockets. Taking public transport everyday (once we are out of default-WFH) will just heighten the risk of infection.
Inflationary impact on food and consumables is rising fast globally and will hit Singapore especially hard, since we are import-dependent for almost everything we need.
Haiz!!!!
@4Daoh+16zEvLP3 You made me laugh so hard. Competent? Oh please.
No impact!
Many more have tendered their resignations as of the end of this week.
Management frantically reassigning bodies to backfill key positions - even resorting to internal transfers within the Division, just to remain operational.
Stretched thin.
But inevitably, the impact on overall competency level is taking its toll.
It’s all so bleak out there.
EM Corp just lost 3 board seats - ousted by its shareholders.
Is that considered a “layoff” from the top?
You guys that were laid off are clueless. That’s why you were asked to leave or resigned. Stop being jealous :)
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you got it wrong...bad karma will fall on those who is telling people to stay...people here are telling the brutal reality.
Also..the fact you come to this site means you know official comm is sh--e.
Looks like the laid offs are still here trying to trigger others to leave. Bad karma will come.
Once a colony, always a colony. Without colonial mindset to worship the ang mohs, how to do well here, especially during difficult times.
SG workforce is such a resilent bunch...delivering high performance despites getting whipped badly..admirable!
At the same breath...the remaining workforce is so pathetic and docile, settling for such work environment. Oh well..thats what years of generalist skillset gets you...LOL.
your team vs her team, not my team
@4Cetz+16zEvLP3 One team!
I can confirm attrition is not a problem. Business running as per normal, results continue to be delivered, my co-workers still taking night calls 5 times a week. Everyone is giving their best, despite impending AWS cut and salary freezes. GC is right - Singapore is standing in solidarity with the Dallas. Otherwise, we might lose all the jobs to cheaper, hungerier locations like Bangalore. No one wants that right?
You forget to add that we paid 35mil to LOSE.
Sounds like DW’s Midas touch in play again!
Actually yes, quick back of the envelope calculations would indicate that cutting 1.5 months of AWS would save the company around S$50M per annum, or about US$35M. Just nice to cover the costs of the proxy fight.
Priorities eh!
Check SLSs calendar to know when the ranking meeting is. Seems a lot quicker than previous years.
@4Bvpl+16zEvLP3 - nobody cares about backfiring of forced ranking because it’s the best system there exists! It has served Darren and senior management well, so rest of you employees can’t complain!
PIP is coming soon. Better find for jobs before falling into the sh-t~
https://www.todayonline.com/commentary/why-ranking-employees-performance-backfires
Force ranking backfires
No coffee machine, lousy insurance, no increment, work overloaded, PDS too bias, poorer so cut back expenses, let's eat hawker and support more locals. Duno why some can eat more michelin meals, free golf mship, scoring PDS by making locals poorer... goes on and on and on.
remember all job losses in Singapore are good losses. Helps with the PDS of SG management. Other than GC, there’s no other Singaporeans at the country LT body. No skin in the game for expats, so you are all on your own. Compete to win folks, and don’t complain.
EM dgaf about inflation. Company is imploding and you still here latching on like it's your only lifeline. Others whining how can they cut this how can they cut that, isn't it obvious? Because they can and there's nothing you can do about it. EM is in crisis mode. Focus is to stay afloat in the near term. Who cares about fluffs like staff retention and morale?
Apparently Singaporeans are overpaid, especially with 3 months AWS. HR from other countries are reviewing our pay and has already looked at it with biased lens. Coupled with no pushback from LCM and attrition remains lower than planned, so of course no pay raise. Be glad you have a job and be very more glad if there’s no significant pay cut.
The inflation is coming so how can be no pay rise next year..
@4Ahzg+16zEvLP3 authorities have learned their lessons, unlikely to throw fresh incentives and tax payers money to attract new plant investments. No more growth for site, just operate at LOWEST costs possible, safely lar.
Let’s chiong for LNG sales. Chem and F&L sales already in China and India, with many given opportunities to go Houston and come to Singapore. So practice your thumb sucking skills. Might need it more than ever, especially when GC is not going to be advocating for Singaporeans. Good luck! I’m so glad I’m not dealing with this cr-p now.
Allow me to make an educated guess on SG EM future..at most 10~15 yrs from now...
- All support functions moved to India, BKK or 3rd Party providers
- (Chemical/Lubes/LNG) sales/ops moved to China / India
- Engineering support including process engineers for base plant move to KLTC / India
- Site Projects moved to BTC
- No new capital proj to improve existing plant...e.g Crisp aint coming back.
What left is a skeleton workforce of ops and maintenance to keep the plants running...no career progression, minimal opportunity.
Who is brave or shld i say d-mb enough to stay and find out?
Things are coming back! There’s more expats heading our way in Singapore. Is this an indicator of AWS won’t be cut, or AWS will still be cut to create budgets for more expats? Any insights?
@4Aznn+16zEvLP3
You POFMA lah!
PIL is not an option for 2021 PA. Only PIP.
TMTS package? That is not an option for anyone to choose.
You will be asked to go, when the time comes (the organisation restructure and HC reduction plan is already laid out between now, till 2023).
So if your position / group is already earmarked as redundant (or in excess) it is just a matter of when.
SG Finance just expat some manager to Thailand. Seems like that's the way going forward.
July/Aug 1:1 sharing after the ranking session
Options available are:
- PIL
- TMTS package
- Resignation
4: choose to stay but not increment and bonus
Not forgetting that many of our base benefits were also cut in end-2020 / 1Q21:
- The renegotiated AIA / IHP coverage T&Cs and payout is worse now for the employee, with net higher OOP
- No more interest-free vehicle loan (CL 26-29)
- No more country club membership fee assist
Can imagine PDS for GC will look so good, thanks to everyone. Cut espresso machine, cut costs, cut headcount, improve Sg cash flow, use savings for secret projects to deceive public that we are reducing emission. Next year their PDS looks even better, thanks to everyone again.
To all future next generation of em employees
Yes you can still work and be employed by em
Stay till 5yrs or the longest maybe 10yrs after that better quickly jump ship
Take em as just a training ground and stepping stone for your next career
Not worth to stay longer or longest anymore in em
Trust this advice from em old timers with very long service
Loyalty to em dont pay anymore
Remember this company called exxonmobil
You all have been notified
@4Ahvy+16zEvLP3
Tell mgt the best way to combat fake news is.........TELL THE DEFINITIVE TRUTH.
Stop going around in circles, denying this/that....just come out and be specific and clear. - Isnt that is what senior mgt always preach?
Meanwhile mgmt keep saying the comments here on aws and increment are fake news.. looking forward to see who is right!!
Bright for GC, since all savings will be posted under her PDS. And the reduction in AWS is more than covered by her dividends from RSUs. Winning behaviors if you ask me. No one at senior mgmt gets punished for bad decisions, and the payout remains the same. Best deal ever!
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There will not be a mass exodus..those who are capable of leaving have already left.
Those who remain are those who have no options or in the late career stages so just want to ride this out.
Confirmed pay freeze in 2022, possibly 2023....AWS potential cut...Jobs moving to GBCs....the future for SG sure looks bright.....LOL
Management is very keen to make sure no loyalty goes unpunished. Those who left earlier get a full prorated AWS. Considering this, the attrition numbers are low. Seems like Singaporean employees really enjoy getting beat up and short changed, which explains why GC is so bullish to Dallas that we are ready to contribute more.