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maybe go for somewhere better than Shoppe? yes they’re better than us, but not THAT great?
Wah wah... Folks, is this a Shopee hiring group sharing site or EM layoff site? I think there are more Shopee hits on this site than EM. :D
Should always treat EM as a stepping stone. When time to quit, put the nonsense a side for the next unlucky person. heads up high and straight, leave for a real fulfilling career outside. Strategize properly, then head to Shopee~
Wah- seems like shopee is steady P-m bee bee, hiring so many of our folks. Yet our HR don’t benchmark against them? Why? Shopee not in Thailand yet is it? Thailand HR don’t know what’s going on? Even their RSUs awards are so much more aggressive than ours and SEA is doing so much better than XOM.
I'm doing bare minimum nowadays while upskilling after office hours to jump to other industry. Doing extra is worthless. If kena PIP, I'm ready financially. If I'm safe this round, I have another year to continue upskilling while being on payroll.
Interview in progress with Shopee. Best of luck!
Shout with me fellas, like how they do in SCP - Shopee shopee # 1. Everyone is just working hard to get that shopee offer and they are out. Management is saying attrition is still manageable, and obviously, they don’t give a sh-t about your departure because it doesn’t affect their pay. In fact, you will help them to have better packages because you boosted their headcount KPI. So let’s go for this win-win solution by leaving for Shopee!
Applying for Shopee, really hope to secure a job there.
Young grads are encouraged to stay away, as they will never grow and always at the mercy of the EM boomers. Boomers aim is to maintain fat cheques, and make the poor kids work harder at lowest pay possible.
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Cant really blame these boomers
They had their best of times during those long glorious years
Wish i'm one of luckiest among them
Tia kong many of ‘em live in landed homes, all in D10/11 CCR. Steady leh!
A boomer with 30 years and earning in excess of $20K/mth will get something to the tune of $600K and more, if given a compensation package of 1 month for every year of service!!
That’s right. At least half a million, or more.
No way that EM is gonna waste its hard-earned, shareholders’ money - just to severe the services of such venerable boomers right?
Just let them ride into the sunset lah.
They are all asset-rich and cash-rich hor.
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Its not that those left behind have no courage no ba--s to quit
The boomers is just auto cruising
Offer us the package and see how many boomers will happily go
Others no choice stay becoz of commitment
So nothing wrong to stay or to go for whatever reasons
I felt pathetic of those Em folks who “look down” on pple who joined Shopee. It just enforces the fact that pple in EM is so dated like fossil ! For those who are ignorant, even our own execs openly admitted that pple who did well in EM not necessarily will do well outside of EM. They openly admitted that EM has its own unique approach in identifying leaders which might not be consistent with other organisations. So wake up and don’t get stuck in your ivory tower ! Wake up also if u think there is still a bright future ahead … which is nothing but a mirage .
Shopee on the right direction, continue hire young EM employees, so that we can mature and open our vision to outside world. Sour grapes for those stuck too long in EM, no chance to venture out already then become jealous.
Playing dirty even against own nationality in a country with strong union. What more can you expect of the treatment of locals with a practically non existent union and pro corporate government? Go figure.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/energy-commodities/exxon-union-try-new-approach-to-resolve-increasingly-bitter-dispute
KLTC Engineers are being headhunt by Shopee with better pay. Yet the Office Manager (Singaporean) is still in denial that the HR grand compensation plan is amazing and Shopee is not playing fair. A fail attempt to stop KLTC ever growing attrition.
when young ones are leaving for Shopee, it makes
local management feels powerless, stupid and angst. They can't accept that EM is now behind Shopee. Younger executives would help, not muggers hugging fat rice bowl for two decades, such unhealthy generation gaps.
Been working here for a while. I have seen so many hypocrites acting with a smile behind their evil plot. These hypocrites stirred sh-t to underplay others credit, form their own group to badmouth others and aim to pull only their own kind of people (you know who you are)…. I sincerely hope those who left the company do not have to work with these hypocrites anymore.
With Mark Lee and an LGBTQ dance troupe fronting the Shopee ad?
Give us a break lah … don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Easy hire typically also means easy fire. This is a common HR strategy. What's more important is how you perform on the job in real world. EM is seriously backwards if all they care for is paper qualification. Now, difficult hire does it also mean difficult fire? I don't think so right? Your loyalty means nuts to them.
I also don't understand why people are salty about Shopee. Ecommerce is here to stay, it's growth looks good. Why can't you be happy for those who left for Shopee? They seem happy with their decision.
EM is better than everyone else is such a snobbish passé. If you're unhappy with where you are that's fine but putting others down is just tasteless.
Shopee is a good place to be. Who cares if hiring standards are low? EM lowered standards for fresh grads when there was a hiring bo-m a couple of years back as well.
They offered me a 15% raise from my current pay (with room for negotiation even beyond this), and increments/progression is better than what we have. They were transparent in saying that work life balance is not as great, but you get faster progression and experience in an industry that is growing.
@4Qhac+16zEvLP3 It is. Provided you are worthy enough to join? This question, tells me that you are not good enough. Stop trolling and do your work.
Is Shopee good to join?
Worst are those stuck in EM but no courage. Got pushed up down left right. Winners already exited.
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Cos companies like Shopee has very low hiring standards and see each EM NSI joining them as potential MD material?
I have to say some of these PIP-ed (NSI) folks that got hired into Shopee are not exactly good/capable ppl to work with (at least from my experience). Attitude problem and/or just technically inept.
Maybe engineering is not their passion or cup of tea? But well, if our paths do cross, I wouldn't want to work with them again. :(
Disclaimer: Not saying all that joined Shopee are cr-p as I also see quite a number of capable folks leaving EM and joined Shopee.
Shoppee low standards? Their HR are smarter and practical in hiring, with equal chances and opportunities. Less risk of being slapped and betrayed by scholars.
SG employees are seriously looking down on this bunch of weak local management. So useless.
Cos companies like Shopee has very low hiring standards and see each EM NSI joining them as potential MD material?
ROFL :D
This is just bu-----t. If this is true, how the attrition happen? Why don’t you explain that to me Sherlock?
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@4Oimc+16zEvLP3 honestly, one of the common feedback I pick up while i hunt for jobs is that the soft skills we picked up in EM are not well perceived outside. A few recruiters i talked to ask me to be more direct, crisp during interviews and avoid having that large corp stink (I still dun get it what's our stink), coz these are common feedback hiring managers rejected EM applicants, be it industry or tech companies
Only note from LCM is on haze. How wonderful, but appropriate too since our futures are hazy right after she came in.
When going for interview apply bloody lpsa first whats the worst things can happen
Bloody id--t exxonmobil style
@4Oimc+16zEvLP3 honestly, one of the common feedback I pick up while i hunt for jobs is that the soft skills we picked up in EM are not well perceived outside. A few recruiters i talked to ask me to be more direct, crisp during interviews and avoid having that large corp stink (I still dun get it what's our stink), coz these are common feedback hiring managers rejected EM applicants, be it industry or tech companies.
Well T2 has retirements to look forward to.
For those T2s earning >$300K pa, I don’t think any will tender their resignations lah.
If they do, then they are very foolish.
Just cruise along will do.
This is a place for young to get some skills, software capability and some analytical skills, communication skills, take as much training as you can in early years and mark up your market value. Then go to market to explore more opportunities. Do it quietly. Remember such crisis never the last one.
This is a very good reminder. Being a leader isn't just about LPSA, LPO, LPS or safety touch only. We are humans, working relationship and empathy is important. But that is what they do not have, mainly because those leaders are too young to understand. With the usual 3 to 5 years and I move mindset, this will not solve our problems.
The reason for the Low attrition rate is not bec no one wants to leave . The truth is not many can leave based on the “ generalist “ skill to get an equitable pay to commensurate the years of experience. In short , many pple are stuck ! Only the younger folks are easier to leave and make the transition of career path.
As for the PIP process and the 8% attrition , it’s a way the company is setting the stage of getting rid of workers without pay out in future. Building the track record so that company will not be accused of unfair dismissal. Such is the game plan. Good luck . Will be throwing my resignation soon, the sense of feeling is surprisingly liberating. I tot I will feel abit sad , instead I felt relieve …. Although I had wasted some golden years in this place . The friendship is the only thing worth treasuring . As the for Mgmt , u guys are good to serve as a reminder for what I shdnt be when I become a leader in future . A very precious lesson what I must not be .
Not enough people getting laid off is the answer.
The attrition numbers are still below planned- too many people are staying on, despite the abuse that management has dished up.
This has given management confidence that they can freeze pay while reducing AWS this year, without too much impact to the attrition numbers.
More importantly, despite the organizational churn, we continue to deliver results and compete to win. So get ready for more bad news (or rather no good news until debt is reduced).
GC thanks you for your contributions and for staying on and taking sh-t like a champ.