Not what I see pal, and I’m in a position to approve promotions. Promotions are given out like free candy unless you are going into CL28, then your VP better know you by your first name and know your wife/children/maid’s name.
All levels below 28, if you are not getting promotions, it means you really need to rethink your future here, because your peers and your supervisors and your peers peers are getting promoted except you. What’s that message for you?
@6Itbw+16zEvLP3
People hear rumors that many will get “long overdue” promotions next year.
But really, you have to be an Excellent-or-better performer AND below CL25 to get a promotion from within a job.
For those CL25 (and CL27) awaiting to be promoted to the next CL (26, or 28, respectively), you will need to wait longer to accumulate sufficient YEE, before you become eligible ….. UNLESS you are deemed Hi-po material and advancing to your next designated SH, or DH position.
So for the majority of we mediocres, it’s a sad “Sorry Jose”. Please be more patient!
Leave the room when respect is no longer served . For the young , you have long runway ahead … you are not just settling for a job but a career. This deeply entrenched fossil fuel company do U think can last so long? As for the old folks, they are just kicking cans down the slope , going thru the grind. 做一天和尚敲一天钟，till the sun set down over the horizon. The company is game over … like many Titans of yesteryears . Poor leadership is one main reason. Young or old , none in better shape … except those old folks who are near retirement . Those in the 40s good luck …. Make sure u save hard super hard for early retirement or retrenchment . As for the young, invest your time wisely with companies or industries that have longer runway. I have just tendered … I felt so relief and liberated. No an easy decision, but the Mgmt and way the company is heading help me cross the watershed . Good luck folks .
Can’t be giving increments to everyone right? It’s only reserved for those favored by management. For the rest, just work harder on your next PA.
Increment for technicians? Ask yourself whether did you get your mid year bonus.
Any news on next year increments for technicians ?
There are basically less positions especially high paid positions, in order to move the music chair, DM and DH or higher managers need to move, then business line leaders got room to move up, but there are many out there waiting and waiting, fact. So your turn to SLS, leadership positions, manager will have to stay wait, on paper they said will promote within the position do u believe? It just way to give u some hook and stay on, all come down to cost, as whole industry is struggling, competition within industry on your own talent doesn’t make sense anymore, you have to compare same level of skills that you can translate to value creation in other industry and pay offer. As many are waiting in the line to get moved to a better assignment, your chance will be lower. A wave of sending ppl overseas assignments will never come back, but selected FEW will still go. Then promotion within the same position will be just kidding u after you wait for 5-10yrs. A very big portion of your lifetime career, so everyone have to think for themselves, how this company turn out in next 5-10yrs by the way going forward. How Singapore site look like in 5-10yrs, 20yrs.
@6Fwan+16zEvLP3
But nowsaday cannot oredi lah
We’ve been told that going forward, all of us will need to root on a job for at least 4-5 years right? No?
You can count with your fingers lor, by the time you become HOD or DH, you will be mid 40 to 50 liao! Tan ku ku
I am from Manufacturing and I know for sure that my previous boss became a HOD in his late-30s.
There are many like him.
Fact.
Haha a bunch of jokers hallucinating. 30s head of department. Yes, it happened but in "past tense". Even this is true, there are a big pool of these 30s queuing for hod. All hod calibre??? Wake up.....dont just think you are from nus ntu must be bloody elite.Ask why Exxon is in such a state...the bitter truth is the insane pay scale that the past generations have been enjoying. Those who went Shopee....are they enjoying such perks. Keen to know. Also Hod in 30s..in their traje tory.. stop deluding yourselves.....脚踏实地。from true blue sgrean who is not hod.
Hmmm … my Section Head is already 38 years old, at CL25 or CL26.
So it looks like he already CMI in EM hor?
@6Egka+16zEvLP3
Truth be told that to have a “planned” career in EM, you will need to reach a CL28/29 designated position (e.g. Department Head, or equivalent), by your late-30s to 40-yrs old.
If that does not happen yet by the time you’re in your mid-40s, it confirms that you are one of the many, “mid-to-bottom-third” masses in EM (aka non-hiPo).
For the latter (majority), you’re better off re-booting your career elsewhere that will provide you with a different trajectory till retirement.
The earlier you realise it, the better.
@6Euqe+16zEvLP3
Min: CL23 <$5K/mth
Max: CL29 up to $25K/mth
Beyond that Executive liao.
Work your way up lor!
Worker bees will also step out and shout WE WERE exxonmobil
Seriously good workers that already left and quietly leaving soon is at an alarming rate
Managers and mgmt can shout em slogan loudly proudly only among themselves then
Hehehhhhhh
Please be prepared. There’s good news coming soon.
Managers will be stepping up efforts to spread the words of We are ExxonMobil. This will inspire the workforce to work harder and give more at work. Enjoy!
I’m less than 3 years in EM. Anyone of a kind soul here wants to share min and max CLs salary range which you are aware of? Thanks!!!
6Eiup+16zEvLP3
After all the BPR training and signed off to protect em interest and business
Yes all these more and more good people and workers that already left and will be leaving anytime soon will become the greatest rival and competitors for em and will go all out chiong liao for their new companies
BPR who cares or give a damned anymore
We aint no em employees anymore
Lalalalaaaa lah exxonmobil
More and more very good workers will be leaving, for sure.
I left EM recently, in part because my mentor (CL 33) asked me in regards to our recruiting efforts, “EM has been a fantastic place for my career, but honestly, don’t you have to question the intelligence of anyone looking to start NOW as a twenty five year old?”
Leave now on your terms and you enter a booming economy with companies begging for talent. Leave on EM’s terms a few years from during the next recession and best of luck.
Another month another resignation
Lost another good worker bee
Lesser manpower but workload added and getting more instead
Haiyaaaaaa what to do this is world class exxonmobil
Less is more and can give even more
More people leaving doesn’t change the PIP numbers. Just putting it out there. Don’t want you guys r be disappointing thinking that high attrition rates will lead to reversal of policies. If there’s one thing Darren hates doing, it’s admitting he’s got it wrong. So high attrition is a small price to pay for his pride.
I suggest all to leave EM if you can find a similar pay job. No point staying to get PIP.
We should all then continue to negatively influence more young ones to leave.
This will set the scene for a more stable 2022 PA outcome, with a much lower NSI target (3%?).
That’s something we can all look forward to.
On the themes of the Squid Game and Alice in Borderland, we need to sacrifice something, in order to gain something!
@6xtwu+16zEvLP3
Hmmm, interesting theory you have there.
Boomers using this forum platform to negatively influence more young employees to leave, raising attrition levels even more, so that the %PIP will be reduced from next year on and the boomers get to keep their jobs.
That’s genius! Never thought boomers could use reverse psychology to defend their job security. Deliciously devious!
But but ain’t the young goons the ones that were screaming war cries at the start of this forum, for rallying for a mass exodus?
Remember? To join companies like Shopee, where HR policies and salaries are deemed to be much better than EM?
Why do they now, then require to be coerced to leave and add on to the %attrition - to aid the boomers? Why are they still thinking, to assess their next steps, or leave EM?
Either I am confused, or they are!
Hehe
Telling the young people to consider carefully is good.
Stirring sh-t, creating negativity and encouraging attrition among young people, so that the company will reduce PIP % and boomers left behind continue their high paying good life, is not good.
Younger people, make your own calculations and moves, but remember that not all older people are wise or kind, and people have their agendas
Regardless the industry is a sunset industry. Whether hipo or lopo doesn't matter, it doesn't change the mega trend. Cost of production will continue to rise and margin down, though short term now see inflated commodities price help current situation. Do your own calculations if you want to stay or not.
@6wjlq+16zEvLP3 So far I only heard of 1 SLS and 1 DH quit, the other people who quit are all engineers and technicians. So of course the remaining EM employees, who are lurking in this forum, are mostly SLSs or managers.
seems like there are more SLS here than engineers, too much time on hand. look at the post for planting sls for longer term receiving more downvotes
@6ulfc+16zEvLP3
stop stirring sh-t lah... the younger folks have a much higher chance to see the world in year 2070 whereas you'd definitely be dead. Please use the short remainder of your life to enjoy your landed property... you need a huge landed to fill the emptiness of your cruel, sh-t-stirring heart. Spend the remainder of your life living in past glory... it simply shows us that you have nothing much to look forward to. Imagine being on your deathbed and still talking about last time when you join EM you had xx CL promos and earned $10M. It's all going to be left behind friend. Pathetic. My young advice to you is to please try to develop a kinder heart and stir less sh-t cos you will meet your maker soon
Wah liddat, the strawberries really get the short draw of the stick leh!
I recall that in my first 5 years in EM, I was rotated through 3 jobs in 2 departments ….. and got 2 CL jumps (23-24-25) with very attractive increments!
That’s something the newbie underlings nowsaday can never hope to smell lor!
Haha, I believe that retaining a newbie for at least 5 years on a job has already been ruled, communicated and cast in stone.
That will slow ‘em down oredi lor!
If any strawberry still cannot accept that, the door is always open.
I am just watching and see 2 groups arguing here. Seniors vs the juniors.
But regardless, the people who actually hold the power of the pen (with regards to making decisions on PA, increments and promotions) shall have the final say here, and in the real world.
It thus boils down to the SHs and higher ups, who decide.
So votings (for, or against), in this forum, carry little meaning and no weight - except for peer group consolation!
I think it’s a good move to plant the SLS and upper management expectations and movement aspirations firmly to the ground.
retain them for at least 8 years on any one supervisory role
minimum requirement: fulfilling at least 5 years planning to hold their accountability to career development or their section growth, before even considered for another movement or promotion
give them small, piecemeal increments to be stretched over the 15 years, just to make them LPSA before making decisions!
I think it’s a good move to plant the strawberries’ pay expectations and $aspirations$ firmly to the ground.
If it’s not about the pay, what the fu-k are we working for? Why don’t we just be charities instead- what a d-mb a-s comment.
Yarlor!
All also want to be earning >$300K pa DH’s pay, by the time they reach 40 - drive posh car(s), live in landed house, plus all other material perks
Now, get this:
For so many of you, there can only be one.
So let the games begin!
@6rguy+16zEvLP3
Very true.
In recent comm sessions, the repeated questions from the younger employees had centered mainly on:
So, sadly, it is still all about money($), for the materialistic($) strawberry gen!
Extremely materialistic (and money-faced) strawberry generation.
What more can I say?
As the increment and promotions coming, alongside with the day bus resumption, this site will slowly die off.