Worker bees , those who stay shd not call ourselves “ we are ExxonMobil” we shd change the tagline “ we are gladiators” the fittest survive ! We are fighting one another at the f$$king pit , while the rest of the mgmt sitting at comfortable seats of colosseum watching and entertaining themselves . Those given pip are at the mercy of Emperor Titus ( GC) thumb up or down … what a life ! Anyway , am throwing my letter end of the mth:) signing out and all the best to the remaining gladiators . I am waiting for the day to see the “emperor” being compelled to roll up the sleeves like emperor Marcus to fight like gladiator … then he or she will know what a life … AH
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Thanks for confirming the salary of CL29 . For exec it is $500/yr not including stock option, so worker bees do your calculations . We just need to trim 5-10 pple from this level we can save how many worker bees and yet the organisation’s effectiveness will not be affected . The morale will instead go up. Pple at this level are not held accountable to their bad decisions and poor judgement . They are “bullet proof” , is this fair ? They crafted this pip scheme for worker bees letting them compete with one another, like the gladiators , for a comparatively meagre salary we are earning, don’t u feel sick? I am definitely not going to be a fool allowing myself to continue in this sick system . Exec like GC said we are over paid for our job , really ? What abt her and her comrades ? Have u wondered what her typical day looks like for a pay >$500k ? What has she done for Spore employees to deserve this pay ? Talk abt over pay ! Pot calling kettle black ! Shame
I can confirm that CL29 salary range is higher - at $350K to $400K pa.
In my opinion, we are just too heavy too light bottom. This resulted in high cost structure . The last retrenchment , instead of streamlining and getting ride of execs and 28/29 level we got ride of working level of 27 and below. On the surface , the layer of fats were gotten rid of but the effectiveness of the Organization gone down drastically… bec we got ride of the good fats , the bad fats are still around ( execs , >28 and above). We eliminated the ground troop that was engaging customers and we kept all the high cost pple (cl28 and above) who are not customers facing or operational. These CL 28 and above are good only at doing “ internal bz” , so the work churn continues by them which eventually cascading down to the already shrunk workforce ie CL 27 and below …… what do u think? Let me draw analogy : all the Cl28 and above are drummer of a dragon boat , those Cl 27 and below are the paddlers . After the major retrenchment , you know how EM ‘s dragon boat look like ? Instead of typical 22 paddlers , we have only 10 paddlers doing the job meant for 22 pax . Instead of one drummer , we have 2-3 drummers beating the drum , worst still all at different rhyme ! Where do u think the boat will head to?
Seriously, we don’t need so many execs and 28/29s to churn paperwork and play internal politics …..the failed retrenchment exercise that brought the permanent damage is the failing of all these pple trying to preserve themselves … that is why the boat will sink . So I don’t why have self denial pple in this forum still pinning hope on this company.
that is why the 24/25 need to quit to de-sandwich the 26/27 based on what you are saying. And that's via NSI PIP
The problem is bec we have the layer of 28/29 being paid super high salary of 300k/yr . Some are single contributors and some are Cluster mgrs who are there literally doing PowerPoints which the 26/27 can actually do the job ! These 28/29 are there to baby sit the execs play internal politics . 26/27 are the sandwich class . So get the facts and issue right otherwise wrong diagnosis and wrong action taken which is often what we are good at doing .
What level are most managers? CL 26? CL 27?
You’re right that many single contributors CL26 and some CL27 are slowing us down. EM knows about this, will give them with PIP/L and force them for early retirement at 55.
folks, there is no more career development here, just make use of the WFH opportunity to farm and build your own side hustle, stock portfolio, new house etc. Honestly, unless you are <5 years exp, if not the pay over here is still decent.
This is only for people who think that EM is done, but can't find a job or no plan B.
PIP is okay. Whether the system is fair is another thing. Good connection, but mediocre capability, you will still be in good hands.
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There are many mediocre, single-contributor CL26s earning up to $180K pa and even more CL27 professionals earning up to $210K pa, circulating in our system … all stagnating, with no upward mobility to designated positions in CL28/29, ever.
Now, how do we handle these types?
Unless you force-eject them with an 8% PIP each year, most will choose to stay … cos they can never get the salaries that they are earning now in EM, while doing the SAME job outside!
Many have realised, through various job interviews that to earn even near-parity salary, they’d need to hold higher / wider job responsibilities outside.
Otherwise, they’d have to accept a pay cut, to transition to similar levels of job scope that they currently do in EM.
That’s the sad and bitter truth!
If your pay is low, you would have gone out of the door right? Why is it that I’m still seeing people working so hard? Means well paid enough isn’t it? Increment is cr---y, I heard, yet no mass resignations. Just attrition here and there, which is normal.
Let’s not make a big deal out of a few people leaving the company for perceived greener pastures.
Was reminded by some senior managers there’s too many CL26+ around in the company and looks like they won’t leave on their own. They needed to be PIPed out.
8Pksw+16zEvLP3 : "Give you premium package, fair to expect premium service!" I felt that this statement is too general to apply to everyone here.
8Pksw+16zEvLP3. You asked pple not to feed the troll. Calling pple pathetic , so why are u in this site ? The reason why the company is in this pathetic stage is exactly we have trash and hypocrite like u hanging around . This place is for troll , not for trash , find your dust bin plse
more posts on EM Singapore board: https://www.thelayoff.com/exxonmobil-singapore
after 11 years, i still like it and very appreciate that i am here.
i do understand why some folks are frustrated, rightly so.
my team is good and my boss is awesome, a great mentor, so i stay. money is ok.
Another joker. Talk so loud but dare not go at all. Why? Because you cannot find anywhere else giving you similar remuneration package.
Give you premium package, fair to expect premium service!
Make sure you leave asap. Long queue waiting to join in
Exxonmobil is no longer a career company its a part time company now
Offered retrenchment package i go
If not just work safely and sorry no extra output or effort
Now 10 mens job become 1 man job with plant and machines breaking down happily Technician also can breakdown anytime
Feeling tired burnout overstress take MC who cares abt shiit occurence
Want anything extra tell the mpt to work they got their increment while we nmpt worker bees sacrificed our bonus already
Dont blame us NMPT for our performances and attitude
And yah mgmt pls dont waste time to motivate or empty promise us
Supervisors also dont bother to conduct closed door long bullshiit appraisal talk
We are not interested in all the bullshiit nonsense rubbish in exxonmobil anymore
Awaiting another boring quarterly billion dollars profits announcement from Houston again heheh
Be strong my fellows Frontliners Technicians worker bees those billions are not meant to be shared with us ok
#we$$$$$$exxonmobil
After going through 3 turnarounds and 1yr of lead tech role for major equipment outage, sad to say I am ready to leave this highly toxic workplace environment.
seem like exxon vision for 2022 is to make more people leave, as much as possible.
No you didnt get it for NSI and PIP part, lady boss.
Your answer is like: Okay guys, we know we have stabbed you, and we know you were bleeding, but we put a plastic on your wound to help you what, and in the end you didnt die (90% chance donnt die), so why complain???
WTF.
Totally irrelevant. Today's com session.
It is like management is on one side, employees are the other side, Pacific Ocean is in the middle. - totally disengaged.
Keep talking about the increasing cash flow and all the great plans, forgeting that great plans need people to execute. People are disengaged and feeling depressed by your NSI plans!!!
Showing screenshots of zoom calls means nothing for us.
Supervisor at 35. Advisor at 36. Because never kiss a-s hard enough, and the nose is not brown enough, and the skin is not white enough.
Supervisor at 35. PIP candidate at 36. That’s how fast fortunes change. Unless you have godma, godpa. But if you have, how come only supervisor at 35.
Funny these days they start promoting mediocre. Cause all the talents either moved up already or had left the company. Left those "loyal" and "hardworking" and mediocre people that finally got some attention. These are the Fort holders. The defenders. The mediocres.
Don't feed the troll. So free come here to spam. Pathetic
Supervisor at 35 is not hipo. Please. Manager at 35 is only so-so and I’m not even sure if that’s a POT 38 level progression. So get ready to be PIPed out at 45, since you are not a protected species. Only if you are POT38+ will you be spared from any harm. The rest are just making up the numbers and getting whipped whenever required.
No way GC will
Be made redundant. Can’t you see how pleased Jack is with her, when jack was in Singapore.
So you better take care of yourself pal.
It will be naive to think that fuel , lubes and chemical have no difference . Although we are all EM , the 3 BLs are pretty different in cultures . Suggest you do your research before u step on minefield . As for GC …. It might b finally her turn to be made redundant. For her , financially she is sound , unlike commoners like us. All she feels will be bruised ego… but again she can use her LCM title to seek job outside if she is too egoistic to let go of corporate life n retire . Better spend time worrying for ourselves and plan for bcp lah
It’s okay. No differences between lubes, fuels or chem. GC will unite us all. We are ExxonMobil! Let’s shout PIP PIP hooray!
Always must have a plan B. Don’t feel like writing this year PADP, rather spend more time job hunting. New reorganisation coincide in April ranking cycle and will be interesting to see.
@8Orku+16zEvLP3. No wonder you are where u are . My goodness , your mentality is worrying . U are very Indoctrinated. At 35yrs old , u don’t have the gut to venture out for another 30yrs of runway ? That speaks volume of how lowly u view your skill set . Sad .
@8Nhap+16zEvLP3 So we will see more layoffs? Can't wait... still very sad didn't get picked for 2021 lay off
Agree with below comments.
The positions of DH and DM will just be less and less, and that is obvious to many people, how come people on this forum still believe they got better chance instead of worse chance to make DH?
You must differentiate between what you want and what the reality is. Ignoring that, will lead to misery life for you in EM.
And what is worse, your EM management skills, wont be recognized outside EM as those skills were tailored for EM only. The real world will think you talk sh*t when you speak in your EM way, this has been testified by many folks from their interviews while they wanted to jump ship.
Ok lah, all good luck. End of the day, it is just personal choice and your are responsibile for your own choice. Thats it.
Don’t know what is the announcement in Apr? Let us look into history and then do the projection . What was the outcome of fuel and lubes merger ? Unprecedented act of retrenchment of 300 workers, implementation of mandatory pip of 8-10%, elimination of club membership and interest free car loan, downgrade of medical benefit etc . In the retrenchment exercise , it was very clear that heritage fuel mgmt eliminated all the lubes working personnel and vice versa. Although on the surface they merge as one “ family” but underneath they are very much divided . Now F&L merge into chemical ( I see it more of chemical acquired F&L) … are you naive enough to believe we will expand and grow ? History is likely to replay itself ie it will “ streamline” or “ right sizing” . Within the next 5 yrs , lubes being a dying cash cow could potentially be divested and sold off . Company will collect brand royalty. What abt fuel ? Fuel bz is a dog! There is no gem in this business, the only gem which is retail will soon becoming a dog because of EV cars ! All these will happen within the next 10 years . For pple in their mid 30s , I don’t know why you folks are still talking abt DH etc in this forum u will not have a job by then. Let me tell u that F&L merger into chemical , I heard this rumour way back when the company announced merger of Fuel
And lubes ! The selling of lubes bz as the game plan was also told during that time …. Now I am seeing it unfolding …For me , my only objective this year is to look out for another runway ….something with a better future . Ciao !
There have been many employees told after 40 years old that they were too old to be a Department Head or Director. They were told during EADS reviews that their job after 40 years old was to be an Advisor and Mentor to the Department Head so that the DH could avoid stepping on land mines early in their management career.
@8Nthl+16zEvLP3 but why like that.. I gave my life and soul to the company... ever since the layoffs I've been doing the work of 2-3 people. Many people on my team quit, no replacement, but I suck it up with no complaint, just take on the workload.
My dream is to make DH, but you are right. It seems I'm just being taken for a fool.
What will do you if you are me.
- Supervisor at 35
@8Nwge+16zEvLP3
Look at the general age of the DHs around you first … if you are not a DH by your late-30’s or early-40’s, do you mean you still hope to be a DH in your 50’s?
I think your manager doom you only lah.
Playing with your feelings to stay on in the company, to lock you in, as you age.
@8Nwge+16zEvLP3 Why / for what reason do you think your manager is being honest or straightforward with you? Much easier for your ,manager to say what you want to hear in order to keep you motivated and off his/her back