If you think you saw abuse of the H-1b program, please contact your representative. house.gov
This is not about racism or hate.
Even if it won't help you, do it for your children, for the next guy.
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Its easy, just don't be an EEO, like someone posted. Just don't hire people with visas in the future. You know about it, human resources know about it, the let the aspiring employee know, so that they can look elsewhere.
If you have to layoff someone, make sure you have a valid reason to layoff. It is the responsibility of the reporting manager to make that call and ensure that the team member does what they are supposed to do. That's why there are performance reviews, remember? I hope we don't get to the point of layoffs. But if we do, we should be careful and not trash out someone who is actually useful & lose that talent to another company.
The company was going to pause most of the products and furlough employees. please don't blame those who are not furloughed. Rework the hiring process or don't be an Equal employment opportunity (EEO) employer. Please be considerate towards your fellow workers.
Hire slow, fire quickly if you think an employee is not good enough for the role. Please don't wait for difficult times to point fingers.
Thank you.
thanks for the link. Just reported H1B abuse to USCIS and reported @4jgl+14DQSoIL post.
@6edm+14DQSoIL Filing for renewal after 3 years means you are supposed to try to find an American before answering "I can't find anybody". Yet you say we can't count renewals against layoffs, "because they have equal rights". Not true. You sound like you are from HR, and you don't know your job. This abuse is rampant, like the guy crying about being on visa while his kids grew up, and then when the kids became adults, they had to go live in India, because they weren't US citizens. WTH was he allowed to be a "temporary" worker for 20 years? HR's auto-renewal policy is part of the problem.
The number 452 h1bs between 2017-2019 include the renewals. Max time you get on h1b is 3 years, sometimes less as per USCIS decision. So the number is not just for new hires, it includes employees undergoing renewals too.
@6tpf+14DQSoIL View the link to see the roles the H1bs filled. Mostly devs. Who was laid off in the same timeframe? Mostly devs. I know, I was one laid off at that time. And I barely got the job in my new team, because they were only hiring people from Hyderabad.
The set of people who should be laid off and the set of people who need to be hired do not necessarily intersect at all. When someone is laid off they don't necessarily satisfy the requirements of any open positions. So you cannot just assume that all open positions can be filled by those laid off. If you have too many donuts, but you need more doorknobs, you cannot really use the donuts as doorknobs!
@6rsi+14DQSoIL Sabre does not profit from H1b abuse. In fact, it hurts the company. The way it happens is the director wants particular people, say people from Hyderabad. Contracting companies send those folks in particular, and they get hired. That's the key: the hiring team is racist. As Americans, we cannot believe it, but trust me, I lived it first hand. They will actually pay more for a visa holder from their place, rather than hire an American. And they will protect them. Racism and kickbacks are deep in Indian culture. Corruption is what keeps it a third-world country. If they would give up the intrigue and play fair, they would be much better off.
Wow @6zef+14DQSoIL, that is amazing! That must be 50% of DFW hires. And to think that there were layoffs in DFW each of those years... "We can't find anyone" is such a lie.
@6rsi+14DQSoIL small % of guest workers?
From 2017 to 2019, Sabre Glbl Inc. has submitted totally 452 Labor Condition Application(LCA) for H1B Visa, and 74 green cards.
452 employees with H1B visa with an average salary of 134,000 dlls.
http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Sabre-Glbl/1245172.htm
wow! congrats. First person to get it right in the forum.
The part I don't clearly understand is this: how is Sabre profiting from keeping the guest worker instead of a citizen? for this to be "abuse" Sabre would have to be making money off of it. Right?
And a massive amount of money indeed. I just don't see it (specially from the low % of guest workers).
In fact Sabre could argue that they are trying to do what's less hurtful for all the employees. If furloughs return in a couple months, the only thing that was lost is a couple month's of salary. Your life is not turned upside down by having to leave the country in 60 days.
When/If furloughs become layoffs, I'm sure you'll be happy to see Visa Holders being fired at the same rate as citizens. I'm sure there is a word in English to describe the need to hurt others when you are hurting. I just can't think of it...
@2bcs+14DQSoIL will need to add #4 type of H1 abuse to her list:
#4. Company decides to keep only one employee per team, and furloug or layoff the rest. The visa holder is less qualified of the team but Company decides to keep the visa holder and not the americans because the visa holder would need to leave USA in 60 days and directors order to protect the visa holders. This is exactly what Sabre is doing.
@5pem+14DQSoIL
you remind me that South Park cartoon "theytookourjobs"
Another TDS sufferer. Last line of the post is indicative of an advanced stage of the disease. But take heart, you have attained the rank of Trollinator Apprentice.
@5hls+14DQSoIL Have a feeling you've posted a few times in here. Well said.
Good grief! Nationalism is not the bogeyman. {You've defined yourself. Now we know your politics.} If anything, Nazi Germany was Totalitarian, Ethnic Nationalism (ethnonationalism). Stop the insanity!
There is nothing wrong with a country placing its workers above all other workers (outsiders). The alternative would require some form of id–tic globalism. Stick that.
You're employing the Fallacy of Utter Discombobulated Frustration. However, it doesn't work anymore, because the American Worker [all legal citizens] have grown weary. They're not going to take it anymore. They're going to vote in such a way that legal citizens are the priority. If you live outside our borders you better have something extremely valuable and absolutely rare in the way of talent. If not, NO JOB FOR YOU.
It's just a matter of voting in ALL the right leadership.
Just curious, you've been in HR for how many decades?
@2bcs+14DQSoIL
Great tip about contacting Sarah.
Here is another tip: read her website.
She describes the 3 forms of abuse that she fights against:
- The US worker can be fired and replaced by the foreign worker.
- The US worker can apply for a job and be denied the job because the company hired a foreign worker.
- The US worker can be fired or apply for a job and a foreign worker will fill that job outside of the United States.
If you notice, neither of these 3 apply to the current situation. There is no "replacement" of workers but a reduction of heads. What you are crying about is that you believe to have a divine right to be let go last. Your entitlement may come from a race concept more than from a legal position.
Number 3 will apply IF you are not recalled from furlough and a new hire opens up in India. This may be the case. And also something that American companies have been doing since the 90's.
But hey... don't let me rain on your parade. If you want to pay her (or another lawyer) to force Sabre to eliminate jobs in a certain order go for it. In the meantime, guest workers have complied with all laws and regulations and they have the same rights as you. That's the law.
- Theres so much wrong with your post it's amazing. It's scary you're actually somewhere in HR. Please don't post anymore. You are k–ling the company.
When you have a documented Req with documented skill set needs and you hire a visa holder over a US Citizen when both can do the job that is exactly against the law.
It's also crazy you "can't find anyone".
Whereas almost every hire i have had comes from AA or SW or is an amazing dev from Frisco/Plano. It is actually harder to attract from SW, simply because that company takes care of its own and they've built a strong culture. If your hiring manager is good and well liked though attracting talent isn't your biggest challenge.
Regardless, when you lay off 3500 people mostly from dfw you shouldnt have a problem "finding someone" now.
@4ykv+14DQSoIL
Hiring Committee ? Exactly who has a hiring Committee ? I'm a hiring manager. I have over 40 heads currently. There's no round table discussion going on when "I" chose a candidate. wtf.. hiring committee..
Maybe submit your complaint to the Unabridged Oxford English Dictionary.
In the meantime most people will differentiate between "furlough" and "lay-off"
oh yea. Having the biggest airlines in the world suddenly translates into a bunch of software developers. I am part of the sabre hiring committee. For every job posting we receive 100 resumes . 85 are people on visas. 15 are us citizens and most of those times, atleast 5 or 6 of those visa holders are American University grad students is far better than the 15 Americans with under grad degrees . So we hire the best for the job. Maybe if you spent your time in college studying Instead of partying and smoking weed while majoring in psychology you might have a better shot. Unless I am mistaken there is no us law that says you should pass a H1B over a low skilled worker just because he is american.. if you want to live in such a country and move to a socislist country with better labour laws. This is the land of the free and home of the brave. He skills alone matter. Not where you are born or the color of your skin,
what a bunch of angry ignorant loosers. I can't believe I felt sorry for you. I even asked my manager about taking a voluntary pay reaction so some of you can be spared the furlough..but after reading all the posts in this site, f— you all. I have a job and you dont. I have a full pay while you dont. And unlike your granddad who immigrated here whose only qualification was being white, I have a graduate degree from an American University. SO f— you all and enjoy unemployment. Go and complain where you want . Nothing will get done because nothing that was done here is illegal. Welcome to a captalist country run by a conman.
"provide or renew" is not decided by Sabre.
The Department of Labor approves each H1B based on their stats on unemployment and the qualifications of the petitioner. I can see the DoL rejecting many petitions in the future. But all the H1Bs already in the country have the same rights as American born workers, otherwise it would be slavery. Hence the biggest fraud that a company can do with H1Bs is to keep them for years at the lowest tier of the average salary.
The people in the forum that cries the loudest is the most ignorant about the process.
I dont even know why we have visa holders at Sabre. The skills have always been plentiful in DFW. Especially with the biggest airline in the world 5 miles away and the biggest domestic airline 25 minutes away.
I submitted one. i encourage everyone else who has an issue to do it as well.
Hell after the salary cut and minus two months pay i probably wont even clear 85k this year. For my title, thats crazy. Im the cheapest person in the room now at my title level.
@2ttl+14DQSoIL Right, Sabre took right legal approach by not furlough Visa Holders, but what is not legal is to provide or renew a visa when there are american employees with better skills that are willing to do the job, and we know for a fact there are many, even more after the pandemic.
@2nbs+14DQSoIL Same for me, equal or better skill sets than visa holders but they are still there with full salary and I'm furloughed. They didn't get the paycut neither.
Next they will officially notify everybody and HR, that those visa holders are necesary for Sabre critical operations, This way they will cover it up, in case Immigration offce asks.
"Transparency" came to my mind.
We just have to accept directors choose visa holders over equally or better skilled american employees.
The only thing we can do is submitting the form to Immigration office to help future american employees,
Nobody has been fired yet?????
I had to take a d–g test before starting work.
Did you?
Does it matter what Sabre calls it if the employees no longer are getting paychecks?
If you were furloughed you technically are still a Sabre employee and we (though inferior) still your co-workers and mates.
I'm not an expert, but I suspect that there are no written labor or immigration laws that say "in case of emergency fire first who wasn't born in America". That probably exist only in some MAGA heads and is likely to be discriminatory and illegal. It will take years for congress to go through that. And it wont be retroactive to April 2020. Immigration is a very complex subject.
If there are no written laws it will be up to Sabre to decide what they do with their business and who goes first. H1Bs can't be furloughed. H1Bs can be fired and they will have 60 days to leave the country. Sabre took the right "legal" approach on this subject. It's a loophole if you wish, but it's the right approach for Sabre. The one that cause less legal problems for the company and hurt their employees less (nobody has been fired yet, H1Bs have lower salaries etc). When lay-off time comes, the H1Bs will also go.
There is also a no-retaliation policy for whistle-blowers. Maybe one day you'll come to this thread and tell us if this policy works better than the H1B policy at Sabre.
@2nbs+14DQSoIL
They aren't my co mates anymore.
I feel i was unjustly made to suffer when i had equal skill sets of visa holders who are still with Sabre. As is my right I requested an inquery. That said, we are dealing with the government and nothing moves quickly with them
Thanks again for the Link.
I submitted my statement. Gave examples and quoted case law. I related my submittal to all visa holders not just h1's. We will see how this goes. If Sabre is right in their actions in there's no cause for alarm. If they aren't then i'm sure they are used to paying fines
People are showing so much hate toward the visa holders. Most of the people who are claiming themself as Americans are the ones whose grand parents came to US as immigrants from different other countries and eventually became American. US is the country made by talented immigrants. It’s a tough situation. So pray for everyone that everything will come back to the normal. All visa holders are legally living here and fulfilling all the duties towards the work and for the country. Please blame the pandemic not your co mates.
Thanks for the link.
I'll send this afternoon. The visa program was never intended to be used like this in the US.
We just furloughed 3500 people, you cant tell me visa holders have better skills than those 3500 people.
Yep, so much hate directed towards the wrong people!
Keep in mind that the culprit of most of this mess is the C level mismanagement.
It's easier to hate on H1Bs, immigrants etc...
There is indeed abuse on H1Bs at Sabre.
And the abuse is that H1Bs receive lower salaries than citizens.
File your report and when USCIS comes to inspect there will be a fine and an increase on the salaries of H1Bs. They still can't be furloughed legally though.
I do anything to keep my job too, except illegal activities, and I'm american.
Reporting abuse when there is none, is fraud.
Reporting abuse, because of concern for the victim, is an act of courage and love.
Why are people on H-1b uniquely qualified to KTLO? Because they will do anything to keep their job. When someone "will do anything", that is a sign of abuse. The H-1b holders are the ones abused.