Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

He'll get a big payout. Oracle will pay to keep the story quiet.

Lesson to those people remaining on how to make money at Oracle.

What a sh–ty story. Product managers at Netsuite are part of R&D and is responsible for delivery of products and features and not meeting a sales quota which is the sales engineer’s job. A product manager is supposed to lead the design of a product and lead the dev team to create and deliver the product in a timely schedule. So this PM failed to deliver a product on time as promised by contracts and turn around and sue the employer for selling what he called a vapor ware, that simply happen because this PM failed to deliver.

When I confronted the 12c Product Managers about the c-appy release, with instantaneous patch fixes “internally only”, I was pulled aside and everything was made clear. Bugs are released to ensure “platinum support”, pure profit.

Is anyone surprised by this? Of course it's all vaporware. Time to market rules the world - get something out there, sell it, worry about making it work later. Doesnt matter if it exists. Did anyone look really closely at the details of the Microsoft-Oracle Cloud interconnect? Do you really believe that everything worked or even existed when announced?

@12mXzw6w-5wbh, I agree on most of what you say. It honors you being so open and candid.

Still, I worked in several companies also and I never saw what I have seen in Oracle. Selling these new products is not done discounting the original ones, but distorting the prices, distorting the business and lying accross the Board. "Nothing written" philosophy and cheating accross the Board. Retaliating any employee that drove any criticism in good faith or wanted to improve things.

Despicable.

Cheat one customers, and you are a murdered. Cheat many, and you are a conqueror. Cheat them all and the investors on top... And you are Larry Ellison.

O gave me the boot and a nice package about a week before I was going to quit for good (retire), thank you very much.
I have worked in middle and upper management positions in a bunch of well-known software companies during my career starting from the late 1960's. What O does is nothing new. All of the companies that I have worked at have always done and still do the exact same thing – in the case of B2B, sell stuff that hardly even exists yet, and in the case of direct consumer sales, sell stuff that is not really quite ready to be sold yet but kind-of-works so get it out there and we'll try to fix it and get it working right later (remember Windows95 for example?). Not really great for the companies or people buying the stuff (who cares about them), but great for the stockholders and company employees that received stock as part of their compensation (me included) as sales from the "new product" drove the stock price up.
Press releases, media hype, selling stuff that wasn't ready to be sold yet, snowballing the market analysts (which by the way was really easy to do), it was all part of the game that we played to get stuff sold to show a profit and more importantly, drive up the stock price. We didn't care what "stuff" was as long as we were selling it and bringing in revenue, and driving up the all-important stock price. That was always the #1 priority - at virtually all of the software companies that I have worked at.
I am so glad to be out of that game, probably going to hell for deceiving people like that and getting rich at others expense.
I really hope the guy wins, but I doubt it will change anything.

Here's an interesting thought.

OCI management s—s, the whole lot of them. They are incompetent boobs who are running Oracle into the ground. Maybe those Amazon rejects are still being paid by Amazon to sabotage Oracle from the inside.

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Put that together with this post, and there would be no better way to sabotage Oracle than for a company to get people to work there and expose through whistle-blower complaints, what Oracle is doing on the inside.

Another thought, could be a lucrative job for anyone willing to go through the process. Since you know that what goes on inside Oracle is corrupt, just get into sales or marketing, collect the info on all the dirty tricks being played and file a whistle-blower complaint. You are guaranteed to be retaliated against, then you quit and get your attorney. Oracle is made of gold for those who can see how to use it.

Good for him! Kudos for standing and being honest!

The real problem came when SC and the team decided to try the "vapor ware" smoke and mirrors trick with cloud HW.....assuming they could bullsh*t the customers and get the "just in time" model to work. The investment community was and is snowed...because it is "cloudy"....and let's hide the numbers if not with additional company purchases/cook the books, with let's not break out line items.

I worked in Oracle a couple years back in development. I think the same thing was going on in on-premise after release of 12c was a total disaster. I was contacted directly from someone on the outside, who very deliberately was going around the product manager, as he was not getting answers to his questions from them.

It's such a disaster. It all comes down to corrupt and incompetent development, that everyone is trying to cover for. You would think the product managers would quit, but they don't. I suspect that shows that they are either incredibly bad at their jobs or so intensely insecure that they do not believe they can get a real job anywhere else.

Hope the guy wins.

You gotta love this one. This is saying that NetSuite is "vaporware". LOL! I thought that was the one working corner of Oracle "cloud", but looks like that's not the case. More desperation going on there, too. LOL again!

According to the court filing, Daramola, a resident of Montreal, Canada, worked for Oracle's NetSuite division from November 30, 2016 through October 13, 2017. He served as a project manager for an Oracle cloud service known as the Cloud Campus BookStore initiative and dealt with US customers. Campus bookstores, along with ad agencies, and apparel companies are among the market segments targeted by Oracle and NetSuite.

Daramola's clients are said to have included the University of Washington, the University of Oregon, the University of Texas at Austin, Brigham Young University and the University of Southern California.

The problem, according to the complaint, is that Oracle was asking Daramola to sell vaporware – a charge the company denies.

"Daramola gradually became aware that a large percentage of the major projects to which he was assigned were in 'escalation' status with customers because Oracle had sold his customers software products it could not deliver, and that were not functional," the complaint says.

Daramola realized that his job "was to ratify and promote Oracle's repeated misrepresentations to customers" about the capabilities of its software, "under the premise of managing the customer's expectations."

The ostensible purpose of stringing customers along in this manner was to buy time so Oracle could actually implement the capabilities it was selling, the court filing states.

Naaaa... An Oracle employee retaliated?. This cannot be.

When I was with Oracle, I saw this many times. Product Managers went silent when I challenged them on what they told the customer and asked for pointers to supporting documentation. One of the reasons I'm glad I'm not there anymore.