Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Yeah no.

Keep dreaming Larry

Forcing people into the cloud is a losing proposition. I just completed a contract wit ha law firm to upgrade their IT. When I suggested about moving some of their infrastructure to the cloud, the reaction I got was such that if I ever mentioned it again, my contract would have been terminated right then and there. A portion of the customer base will always want to keep it in house for a variety of reasons. We came up with an on-prem solution, I did have to subcontract out to some security experts for quality control, but it was worth it. the customer is happy and I got paid.

Got to love the word parsing coming from Oracle partners. They all know it's hopeless, but can't bite the hand that feeds you.

You know what is really hard for LE, SC and the rest of the exec team?

Spending money on the necessary infrastructure
Spending money on building a team, not just poaching from other companies.
Spending money on things other than stupid stock buybacks.

Getting high in his own exhaust, as usual

The real question is whether he actually even started to believe all this bull excrement that's coming out of his mouth.

it has a huge amount of existing customers who haven't necessarily even begun moving to the cloud.

LOL..... wonder why they haven't moved to the cloud..... duh

a customer here - you'd have to change your sales and pricing tactics first - one of the reasons we are moving to the cloud is not to be dependent on ibm and oracle (we are getting raped in both cases)

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'Oracle sits on a very rich set of applications'

Starbucks executive Jayabindu Singh affirmed Oracle's claim that its formidable arsenal of applications could propel it to the top of the cloud market.

"Oracle sits on a very rich set of applications, and no other provider has that," Singh, the coffee retailer's director of corporate technology engineering, told Business Insider. "The day Oracle figures out how to run that in their cloud, and how to bring customers to it, Oracle will be a leader. No doubt about it, but it will take time."

Oracle also boasts that its huge customer base of more than 400,000 companies, including some of the biggest corporations in the world, gives it a huge edge against rivals. Compared to Oracle, which has been selling technology to enterprises since 1977, Amazon, which launched its cloud business in 2006, is seen as a newbie in enterprise tech.

8. O. Maycotte, CEO of Molecula, a data virtualization startup and an Oracle partner, said the fact that Oracle is the top maker of database systems where the world's biggest companies store their data gives Oracle an enormous advantage in the cloud showdown with Amazon.

"The reality is about 95% of the world's data is still on-premise," he told Business Insider, using the industry term for traditional data center and server infrastructure. "With those companies that move off-prem and into the cloud, it tooks like Amazon is winning."

But the rise of hybrid cloud, in which businesses move parts of their networks to cloud platforms, but maintain huge chunks of their data and applications in private data centers, benefits traditional enterprise tech players, including Oracle.

"The borders around the cloud are about to go away, and I think Oracle stands a really good chance of continuing to own the systems of record," Maycotte said. "They'll continue to own the most important clients, the most important accounts."

Oracle as a veteran of the enterprise market
Oracle is also a veteran of the enterprise market, Primeau of Syntax said: "Oracle is very, very strong from a sales standpoint in the enterprise. They know the game. They understand the game. They know how to sell to a CFO. They know how to sell to a CEO...They've got the IP, they've got the size, they've got the brand to really be a key player in the industry for sure."

Ross Fujii, vice president of product strategy at Solarwinds, a network management software market and another Oracle partner, echoed this point, telling Business Insider: "Their background is definitely enterprise. They come with that strength."

But Fujii repeated a common downbeat view of Oracle's cloud infrastructure: "They're just behind." This makes it tougher for Oracle to dominate the critical segment of the cloud market where Amazon is the undisputed king and and a trailblazer.

"A company like Amazon will continue being extremely successful," Primeau said. "The pace of innovation from AWS is something that in my 30 years of industry experience, I've never seen anything close to that.

Ellison and other Oracle executives say Oracle is leading the rise of a second generation cloud, based on more advanced, more secure technologies. And they expect most of their customers to make the move to Oracle cloud.

'Our customers have been waiting'
"The reality is that most of our customers have been waiting for us," Oracle CEO Safra Catrz told analysts on the company's last earnings call. "They've not brought those critical large and security-conscious workloads … to the cloud so far. They didn't bring them to the other vendors. The other vendors are all actually having trouble in the enterprise with these important workloads. They have been waiting for us."

Another view comes from conversations with some Oracle customers.

Thornborn Johnson, a data architect with Nordea, a Denmark-based financial services company and an Oracle customer since the 1990s, said Oracle's cloud infrastructure "looks promising." But he said Nordea, which already uses the Microsoft Azure cloud, has yet to evaluate future cloud moves. Asked if Oracle will automatically be a top choice, he said, "Definitely not."

While Oracle boasts of a huge customer base, it is also known for having strained relations with some clients. Osama Elkady, CEO and co-founder of Incorta, a data warehousing startup, and a former 20-year veteran with Oracle. He called the tech giant "a big sales machine" with sales reps known for using aggressive tactics.

Singh, Starbucks' technology engineering director, offered a different view, saying Oracle "has been a good partner." Raman Galla a database administrator with Boardwalk Pipelines, a Houston-based energy company which uses Oracle systems in private data centers, also said Oracle "has been reliable and customer service is good."

But he said Oracle also has been trying to get his company to embrace its cloud products, which is not always helpful. "They are pushing the cloud," he told Business Insider. "They need to give more choices to the customer and let them decide."

Singh said Starbucks uses Oracle database and applications in a private data center, but it also maintains some of its network in the cloud. But Starbucks is not using Oracle's cloud. Instead, it chose Amazon and Microsoft for its cloud computing needs.

Singh said Oracle has also been pushing Starbucks to shift to Oracle's cloud software offerings. Oracle's approach, he said, has been "definitely aggressive."

"We will only make a decision when we are ready for it," he said. "It doesn't matter how ready Oracle is and how ready anyone else is. Our decision will be based on our readiness, not based on their readiness."