Of the 115,985 graduates from programs that failed the gainful employment test in the first year of reported data, 32,801 of those students—or 28%--came from programs housed within just three institutions: The University of Phoenix, ITT Technical Institute, and The Art Institute of Phoenix.
http://www.thirdway.org/memo/ge-by-the-numbers-how-students-fared-at-programs-covered-under-the-gainful-employment-rule
I would leave off the certificate. At this point, people do judge degrees and work experience from UOPX. Are there some good people who work there? Of course! There are also some shady people who have manipulated and lied to students. This has tarnished the brand.
Question: I have a bachelors and a masters from another institution. Should I leave off my certificate in my field from University of Phoenix? In other words, are the resumes screened for University of Phoenix and then dropped without considering other degrees from other universities? My other degrees are from state universities. Thank you.
I'm reading the last few posts - one from an arguably worried UoP graduate and two from insiders. Here are my 2cents. I worked for UoP for 2 years and left. Ran away to be more precise. I now work for a large, Fortune 100 company in recruitment (you guessed it, I was in Admissions at UoP). I can say with confidence that we do not 'acknowledge' a UoP degree if the degree is a requirement for the job. Sad, I know. UoP is not the only school on our 'do not hire' list. Are we missing some really good potential applicants? For sure. Do we really care? No. We get an average of 400+ resumes per opening. We find the people we need.
To the poster who is finding out that their degree is getting a 'junk' rating by the market? Deal with it. You may be smart and intelligent (please don't ever equate hardworking = good student, that is just poor logic) and you now will need an education from a 'good' school to signal that to employers.
Those 'top 10 reviews' from USNews are useless, just FYI. Go by the WSJ rankings. We do.
I agree with: @Pvqr98a-4hqf . I laughingly say the welcome calls should be: go to class, follow direction, pay your bills, pass your class, and call me when it appears it may hit the fan so we can discuss options. The reality is that UoPX leaders don't follow what the classes preach - especially the BSB/M and MBA concepts. If they did, we could recover but noone wants the "not invented here" approach - even when you cite/reference peer-reviewed studies in the library. If leadership would shut up, listen, be as approachable as they are "supposed" to be - none of this would have happened or the organization could come back as the big bad beast it used to be. Leaders haven't even benchmarked past successes which is disheartening at best. Bring back the quality workshops, UNIV/100, and let us shine!
Wow, your statement says much about your dedication and work ethic.
My undergrad was phenomenal. The college has multiple programs ranked in the top 10 in the nation. I would tell you who it was, but it would definitely give my identity away.
I truly think you get out what you put in. The fact our students arent the best doesnt matter. I knew plenty of idiots at my alma mater. I simply think ine cannot use the blanket statement of diploma mill because it's simply not true.
I taught online for UoP. The canned class they hand you is an academic insult to be honest. If you think you got a 'real education' at UoP, I'm now worried about the academic rigor of the state school you attended and are using as a benchmark...
UoP was academically awful, the grading process was inspired by wanting to avoid talking to administration for being too strict with point deductions (which was actually hard to do with the silly rubrics we had to use) and getting grading done for the measly pay you get. Students were largely unprepared to write even the most basic of papers. I taught there for 5 years. I can count on one hand the number of students I had that I would consider 'bright' and I would hire. I would email them and encourage them to go elsewhere. I stuck this place out because I could get some extra cash doing not much of anything after a while. My students were for the most part entitled nut jobs so I didn't care that I was handing out pretend education.
Being an online std doesnt mean the degree is fake. You still have to put in effort. Is UoP Harvard or random,state university? No. Absolutely not. It does, however serve a purpose, and the degrees aren't given away. I have my undergrad degrees from a state school, and my master's from UOP. Both had their strengths and weaknesses. Take a class or two online, and you'll see it's not as easy as you think.
most decent jobs dont hire people with fake degees
But "gainful employment" doesn't apply to "real" schools (non for profit) , does it? I wonder what would happen if it did.
Gainful employment showed us what we already knew. Morons attend for-profit colleges because they can't get in/survive anywhere else. We now have the data. And nothing happens. Why? Because you can't shut down a school because it is providing a crap product. This is America. We'd have to shut down Walmart if that is the rule. Schools get shut down if they are making a mess of their finances. That is the American way. Al Capone got nailed for tax evasion, not murder. Schools know this.....
Is there a study guide for that Gainful Employment Test? I sure would like to take a shot at it.
The Spin is On
This is all fake.
About a year ago a VP of Enrollment came to our campus and gave a presentation of slides amounting to nothing. He then asked if there were any questions. One person asked how we were doing with Gainful Employment. He steamed angrily across the floor and yelled that VERY SMART PEOPLE were working on it.
After that none of the rest of us dared ask any questions and the meeting was over.
Where can I take the gainful employment test? How hard ya have to study?
Wow