Thread regarding Chevron Corp. layoffs

Meh, yall' jus to smart for me. Let me know when it's all over but the cryin'. I gotta go take a crap.

Politics has become hyper-partisan in the Congress. Merrick Garland was nominated to be Supreme Court Justice in March, but the Senate refused to hold his confirmation hearing. There's no justification for that other than partisan politics.

Very true, 6ddn. Partisan politics is never a healthy thing.

Thanks for your summary, 6ibq. Like you said at the end of your post, a strong shift to the right at the Supreme Court level may be all it takes to make Voter ID a requirement in all 50 states, at least for Federal elections only. I for one would be in favor of that.

@5gsz, Trump has not proposed Federal voter ID law, so why are you so sure that will he enact it? Also, I'm confused by your logic in "As not needing ID is not a problem in your view, requiring it should be a problem either." It is a problem because it's creates a new set of requirements to address a nonexistent problem.

@5gsz, The bottom line is Voter ID will be the law of the land in all 50 states. Trump will finally put it into practice. As not needing ID is not a problem in your view, requiring it should be a problem either. For the rest of us who don't want our vote to be cancelled by the chance of illegal voting, the Voter ID provision will be a welcomed one indeed.

@5vmd, you are about as thick-headed as they come. God, I hope Chevron cut you off long ago. There's no beaurocracy needed other than a LAW that mandates every citizen must have a valid ID to vote. For crying out loud, what frigging new branch of governmrnt is needed to manage that. Answer: None!

Under your idea of running things, anyone can vote twice or five times, register to vote under multiple dead people's names and send paid illegals to stuff the ballots. Yeah, right! You are just the low down and scheming Democrat that would like that to happen. There's no problem, my @ss.

5gnm: Dude, watch what you eat and you'll have less bloating. Eat healthy and stay off the booze.

I have severe gas. Stayed out too late celebrating I guess. Won't be long before I head to the toilet. I pity the fool who has to use it after I get through.

No solution needed as there has not been an identified problem.

No bureaucratic solution needed, 5zwc. Just a Federal mandate to have valid ID to vote in all 50 states. See? Problem solved in 2 minutes, dimwit.

It's ironic that many conservatives want the government to create a bureaucratic solution for a non-existent problem (voter fraud). Whatever happened to the need for small government? We have plenty of problems that should be addressed, but we get distracted by addressing made-up problems.

I would be interested in seeing evidence of undocumented immigrants actually voting. Wouldn't be very hard to find, right, especially if its "millions".

How are they registering to vote ? With the fake documents that are sold at fleamarkets ? Which are only meant for show, not for passing an actual check, let alone register to vote. Then add in the risk of getting caught and the obvious repercussions.

Just saying I would need some solid evidence of this before I could consider it legit.

You voting conspiracy folks take the cake. Quit living in the past. There are no "tests" to take to get your voter ID. We simply must present ID so we maintain 1 person and 1 vote. Otherwise you could have people going to different voting locations and voting multiple times under different names. No ID no vote. No drivers license, no drive. No ID, no buying liquor or other things that are age restricted. Some folks just don't want to follow the laws and rules that everyone must follow. Rich folks, poor folks, white, black, Hispanic, etc. we are all equal and must follow the same rules and regulation. Even Democrats are expected to follow the rules even though they may feel superior to the rest of us. Get over it and find something else to cry about. Just like the Republicans did when Obama won. Twice.

4vre has presented the history accurately. We should be reducing the barriers to voting while maintaining its integrity. Peddling of conspiracy theories that illegal immigrants are voting and there is wide-scale voter fraud is irresponsible. Trump has peddled more conspiracy theories over the years than any major public figure, and now he will have the bully pulpit to keep promoting this nonsense.

Don't be disingenuous, 4vre. You need to learn your history... "The Way of The Democrat". In so learning how they have come to operate, Voter ID in every state is a requirement.

@4kkq - Learn your history, you've got it completely backward. You are the one who is "opening a can of worms". For over two hundred years we have not required ID to vote. It was only after the close election of 2000 when Republicans decided that they could use the excuse of "voter fraud" to disenfranchise voters that they didn't like that voter ID laws started appearing. In the Jim Crow days before the Voting Rights Act, Southern states used to use "literacy tests" to prevent black voters from registering. They would give impossible tests to the black voters and easy tests to white voters.

Strict voter id laws are a curtailment of our liberties, and should only be used as a last resort when there is clear and convincing evidence of a problem. I can remember when you didn't need id to get on a plane, but I'm willing to accept that requirement because terrorist attacks are a serious problem and riding in a plane is not a fundamental right in a democracy. Those of you who think you're a big supporter of liberty should think hard about this. If we accept id laws where there is no clear compelling problem, what will the government want next?

@4jwp, like you said, if the problem is not widespread, then leave it as collateral damage. Some people just won't be able to vote. Once you open that little can of worms, as you seemingly support, then it will become a widespread problem. You'll find more people voting who shouldn't be.

I have never needed my birth certificate to vote. I simply show my voters card and my State issued drivers license. You could also show your state issues ID card. Now if you do t have an ID card or drivers license, perhaps you would need a birth certificate to get the ID card. Nothing wrong with that I say. What you want to cry about next?

@4cye - What about people like this? https://www.thenation.com/article/a-90-year-old-woman-whos-voted-since-1948-was-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/ or http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/woman-92-denied-photo-id-vote-lack-birth-certificate. And remember, people like these have been able to vote all their lives, they have never needed their birth certificates for any reason for decades. Over the years, things get misplaced, houses burn down or are flooded. If these laws had been in place for decades, you might have a point, but I, for example, have not needed my birth certificate for probably 30 years.

Again, if this were solving a widespread problem, I'd be willing to accept the disenfranchising of these people as collateral damage, but all evidence seems to indicate that many more legitimate voters have been prevented from voting by these laws than have ever voted illegally. The cure is worse than the disease.

If millions of people were voting illegally, someone would have found out by now, and Lord knows people have tried. Bush tried to get the Justice Department to prosecute voter fraud, but they couldn't find more than a couple of cases to prosecute. It just doesn't happen very often. It's hard enough to get qualified citizens to vote, why would you think that thousands illegal immigrants would subject themselves to possible arrest and prosecution to vote illegally? It just doesn't make any sense.

@L370Drz-4cye, where is your evidence that that voting by illegal immigrants and dead people is actually happening? So many claims are made here regarding problems with election system with no evidence presented to back them up. The claims are baseless conspiracy theories without good evidence to back them up.

4hsl: Pathetic logic. Everyone should have a copy of their birth certificate and if they don't, they should take the time to get one. Useful for passports and many other things besides voting. Enough of the excuses. We know there are millions of illegals in the US. These folks don't deserve to vote in the US. Neither do dead folks.

@3byu - It's not so easy for everyone. Not everyone can get an original of their birth certificate without a lot of effort, as some states require. States are constantly changing the requirements and often state officials themselves don't know the rules. All this makes it easy for parties in control of the process to make it difficult for people they don't think will vote for them to vote, thus skewing the vote in their favor. There have been many articles relating problems people have had, see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/elections/voter-id-laws.html and https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html for example.

If there were any real evidence of significant voter fraud, I'd be all for fixing the system, but after 16 years of looking, no one has found anything significant. Rather, the rules are designed for the purpose of making it difficult certain groups to vote.

3cvk - the Democrat machine was rigging the system. All the leaked emails were about electing Hillary. The illegals voted Dem as usual, but Trump had a formidable movement.

3zut , no but he certainly knows the source of your pain. It's the absence of a brain to use. Please use your butthurt A$$ instead. It may work better.

3byu: Glad you didn't forget the dead. One of their major constintuncies.

I lean more with the opinion by -3zkj. Getting an acceptable government issued ID in the United States is easy if you take your right to vote seriously. In most States, if cannot afford to pay for it, one will be provided free of charge. Any other premise contrary to having proper ID is a farce and is a constant push of the extreme left in this country. They know they cannot easily win any election without the vote of the undocumented illegals, the ignorant masses, the free-loading welfare crowd and the dead.

It appears that you have the truth on the number of illegal immigrants in America. Can you share the source of this truth?

@L370Drz-3hvg, Your response would be relevant if you wrote it on your own instead of parroting someone else's. The liberal argument on immigration, particularly, is not based on anything factual, just falsely obtained media reported & backed figures. The media & govt. does not want you to know the truth on the number of illegal immigrants, and for their devout sheep followers, they are doing a good job accomplishing that. Feel free to believe them and remain ignorant of the truths about such things. I choose not to. You do not have to believe me or anyone on this highly opinionated thread. Learn the truth by your own means. Do yourself a favor.

@3zkj, actually the rules keep changing as states enact more stringent voter restrictions and the courts have struck down a number of these new laws. The previous point about balancing the ability to vote with the integrity of the vote is not a leftist position, it's the practical reality of the matter. It's interesting that Trump was frequently talking about the election being rigged during the campaign, but now all that talk has gone away since he won. If it was rigged, shouldn't he be calling for investigations to restore the integrity of our voting system?

You want to vote? Identify yourself so it's clear to everyone you are allowed to vote and have only voted once. I can't care less in your silly leftist argument that I should allow 1 fraudelent vote in order to provide 100 or even 1000 more people the ability to express themselves. Everyone who cares, understands the rules. Get your damn ID, register to vote on time, then find your way down to the polls. If you can't complete that very simple requirement, you should be stripped of your citizenship and blacklisted forever.

@3kml - In practice, everything is a balance. Would you be OK if 100 legitimate voters couldn't cast their vote if it stopped one fraudulent vote? 1000, a million? The only way to be 100% sure that no votes are fraudulent is to allow no one to vote. After 16 years of looking for voter fraud, they've only been able to find a few hundred cases out of billions of votes. Of course, we would like zero voter fraud, just like we would like to have zero crime of any kind, but at some point the harm of doing that (in the case of crime, a police state with 24 surveillance, in the case of voter fraud, millions of legitimate voters turned away) outweigh the benefits.

The comments here are an excellent example of why you should never talk politics or religion with strangers, friends or even family members. Everyone has their own beliefs on the role of government. I myself have used the libertarian/anarchist statement before as a way to not get drawn into emotional arguments about politics. Most people just don't know how to respond to it and are trying to bait me into joining the 'discussion'. Everyone here should just lighten up.

@3hbm, as trifle of a matter you'd like to make if it, the goal of any democracy needs to be ZERO fraud. One fraudulent vote is a stolen vote from someone else. I believe you're not that stupid to think otherwise. I have absolutely no problem exercising my right to vote and neither does anyone else who gives it some level of importance. Don't have ID, then don't complain. You shouldn't be voting anyway.

@3rgr, it's a myth that voter fraud is a significant problem in the United States. Voter ID laws and voting restrictions are a way to depress voter turnout which benefits Republicans disproportionately. It's been an effective political strategy for the GOP, but there's no evidence that fraud is a problem and that the ID laws are improving the integrity of the voting system. The Brennan Center has a thorough summary here: https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

Yes, 3brr, admitting to people you are an anarchist will likely shut them up because they will write you off as unAmerican and an unstable fool. Go ahead, put it to the test in real life. You'll wind up alone or in the company of other antisocial misfits.

How much longer before this thread is deleted? My standard answer to a political question is that I am a an anarchist. That will usually shut the person up.

@3dvt - One person, one vote. Don't you think that's democracy? There's nothing wrong with Voter ID, asswipe. It guarantees fairness that each person votes only once. I suppose you believe in the honor system when it comes to voting - no ID required, vote in multiple precincts?

Everyone knows the democrats get 20% of their votes from the cemetery.

It's also well known that the GOP has focused on hyping concerns over voter fraud to suppress voting through voter ID laws and reduced voting hours and stations, which has a bigger impact on Democratic voters than on Republican voters. The Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, paving the way for voter suppression. http://www.ibtimes.com/voting-rights-act-after-supreme-court-ruling-2016-election-could-endanger-black-2282640