Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Update

Over the past month, several of us have been able to piece together some of what is transpiring, despite the fact that our workgroup is not based in the US. Some of this remains rumour, but much is already confirmed and underway. Oracle is, as always, slow to address any of this internally or externally, but rest assured Trained Oracle Spin Monkeys are working overtime to hone their razor-sharp messaging, and a glorious onslaught is planned for January.

Confirmed: Solaris 12 is dead. Some (not all) of the newer Solaris work will be pushed into Solaris 11 "dot releases", starting with 11.4 next year. Solaris priorities going forward: support Cloud, ZFS and ZFSSA, and other tactical initiatives. OpenStack support is relegated now to 'client-only', and Docker will likely never come to fruition in Solaris. General-purpose Solaris and general-purpose SPARC-based server systems are now second-level priorities; expect both to trail off over the next two to three years.

Attempting to shove partially-cooked, disparate pieces of an unfinished major OS release into a minor OS release will be, as can be expected, messy. Full of sound and fury, signifying restructuring, and the continuing gnashing of teeth is full-tilt this weekend, even as this is written.

Confirmed: The successor to the SPARC S7 chip (codenamed 'Sonoma Next' or 'S8') has been shelved indefinitely, as have plans for any systems based on that chip. Current S7-based systems will continue to be sold for now.

Confirmed: SPARC M8 and M9 chips are unaffected for now, and systems based on those are still on schedule - just expect fewer models and fewer options. Expect M-series chips to power the tiny Solaris corner of Oracle's Cloud, not S-series.

Confirmed: Linux "two dot oh" (including Linux on SPARC) was given the go-ahead by Mssr Fowler last month; it will provide the basis for all Oracle Public Cloud "control planes" going forward; Solaris "guest VMs" are still planned as of this writing.

Confirmed: Engineered Systems continue on, to eventually be folded into OPC as Cloud Machines and then Cloud Services.

Still Unclear: The future of Oracle's X86-based systems. Lively execu-level debate on this topic continues, apparently.

Confirmed: Systems customers and 'partners' (see below) will soon be told that they need to (read this in Ahnold's voice) Get Their Asses to the Oracle Cloud. Or else.

Confirmed: Systems' priorities going forward: 1) Cloud, 2) Cloud, 3) Cloud, 4) ZFSSA, 5) Solaris 11 "dot releases", 6) Updating everyone's CV

Confirmed: Systems' hardware and software partners will only be seen as important to Oracle in tactical situations. Or if they resell our products. All right, all right, to be honest what we just stated has been true since Oracle bought Sun, but now Oracle won't try to pretend quite so much. We think.

Confirmed: There are four classes of employee in Systems as of this week: 1) Notified they are probably 'safe' for the moment; 2) Pushed to relocate to other parts of Oracle; 3) Already notified of termination (several China-based Solaris groups, for example); 4) Totally in the dark (meaning that they are likely on the lists turned over to HR this week for termination next month). We have also heard of several key Solaris engineers who have already chosen to leave Oracle of their own accord.

Confirmed: Morale in Oracle Systems Division is at an all-time low. Outside the US (where things can develop much more slowly), we're mostly in the dark and apprehensive. "Continue with your assigned duties," we're told. These are not cheerful times around the office. Concern, anger, hopelessness and confusion all smoulder close to the surface. The most likely scenario at this point has targeted employees not being informed of their demise for at least another 3-5 weeks, so Happy Christmas to us all!

Still Unclear: The extent of near-term terminations. The fifty percent figure actually seems a bit high to us at present, although perhaps the sum of layoffs plus attrition plus reassignment could come close to that. Some organisations will be eliminated, while others are likely to be virtually unaffected for now. Check back with us next summer, won't you?

By the by, in case anyone was curious about something Mssr Hurd failed to mention during Thursday night's earnings call, Oracle Q2 hardware revenue was off another 10% (year over year) to US$1B. In case the "Why" component of all this remains in doubt.

We miss you, Scott.

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Post ID: @OP+KTCW4qz

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Make me money in SaaS, PaaS, and IaaS to protect database. Won't be easy now that service matters

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Post ID: @2nai+KTCW4qz

I think the rebels already know what Darth's plans are. A sheet of paper that says "Make me money, now!" & that's all. LOL

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Post ID: @2cta+KTCW4qz

(move to the dark side) Apply to RedHat now. They are hiring. :)

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Post ID: @2ogq+KTCW4qz

Solaris had its chance with OpenSolaris but Sun blew it.

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Post ID: @2tye+KTCW4qz

@2syi Cheers for the kind words, Mssr Le Coyote!

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Post ID: @2gpl+KTCW4qz

Never worked for Sun/Oracle, I work for a Linux shoppe now.

Sorry to hear that. Your legacy lives.

We (almost) all started SUN workstations were the norm in universities.

To this day, we are grateful for so many things that you provided (in a form or another).

I still (this is 2016) run OpenWindows (OWacomp) on my RHEL7.3/x86_64 workstation.. :)

Good luck to you all.

Kind regards,

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Post ID: @2syi+KTCW4qz

are layoffs planned only for dev or is sustaining and support also affected

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Post ID: @2mfw+KTCW4qz

Either it's a major release or it's not. I know of no instances yet of Quantum Operating Systems (except perhaps something Transmeta produced, but I digress).

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Post ID: @2pvo+KTCW4qz

Last I checked, Solaris was still SunOS 5.11 and Solaris 12 was supposed to be SunOS 5.12. Solaris 7 would have been Solaris 2.7, but the "2." prefix was dropped then. What major release?

Solaris 11 support was just extended to 2034 and was moved to a continuous delivery model. The reason for that is mostly customer-driven. There were A LOT of customers running Solaris 10 and holding out for Solaris 12, and probably not the initial release, but 12.1, maybe 12.2 just to be extra safe. People pay waaaay too much attention to numbers game.

Seriously, how many differences were there between Solaris 8 and 9? Solaris 10 was a significant rewrite. Solaris 11 had most other stuff (networking) that was lagging behind rewritten. Solaris 12 had a lot of commits, but absolutely nothing that can't be backported to Solaris 11 and certainly nothing that would warrant a major release and having to maintain three major releases (10 for one more year, 11 and next up, 12). Seriously, Solaris will really benefit from streamlining everything into a single rolling release.

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Post ID: @2ris+KTCW4qz

@2osp - bad form!

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Post ID: @2izd+KTCW4qz

Sid would indeed be proud of this thread.

From the deckchairs aboard HMS Brexit, it doesn't look to be a Happy Christmas at all at Or-wack-cle. Several of us are now spending our days learning Linux online, because, well, WTF not?

Perhaps it's time to smuggle out Darth Ellison's cloud plans to the Rebels, yeah?

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Post ID: @2ern+KTCW4qz

We (X64 support) have been told there is no further head count reduction planned for FY17 (but the statement is probably as solid as jelly). And FY17 ends already five month anyway. Only management knows what will happens in FY18. They are probably sharpening the axe in the meanwhile to fulfill their dreams of a centralized European support in Romania and get rid of the dinosaurs from the good old Sun Microsystems support team.

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Post ID: @2bro+KTCW4qz

I, too, miss Scott.

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Post ID: @2qpy+KTCW4qz

Guys - someone should chunk this up into multiple messages so we can start separate threads on each of the topics

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Post ID: @2nvn+KTCW4qz

@2osp read the rules, no personal info allowed by the board

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Post ID: @2emv+KTCW4qz

I left in 2014, cut off all ties, so sick off it all. Sounds legit, many insider pearls sprinkled throughout this post - good luck to you all. If you are let go, they are doing you a mega favour.

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Post ID: @2msb+KTCW4qz

Finally took the time to read this original posting.

Very accurate. I'm pretty much in the dark category - so

expect to be RIF'ed in Jan2017. Everybody is just waiting

for the next shoe to drop. That's ok. I'm sick of Oracle BS.

Solaris/SPARC is dead - Linux/Cloud wins.

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Post ID: @1pfc+KTCW4qz

I'm in Systems. This is accurate and well written. At this point they are doing us a favor by letting us go. And if you are a customer you need to buy from someone else. Solaris and SPARC are going to be severely crippled by manpower shortages. Both due to the large RIF in the short term. And attrition in the long run due to people outright quitting this insanity. Who needs the stress of always worrying if your job is going to go away every 6 months? I predict Jan 11 as the layoff date.

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Post ID: @1ctg+KTCW4qz

Must be a Brit who wrote this ! Best posting on this board in a long while.

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Post ID: @1ddg+KTCW4qz

A good thread though

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Post ID: @1ruj+KTCW4qz

1cyg

This is all rather recent. I would say since about summertime things have started to look bad and then in the last few months...much worse.

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Post ID: @1oqb+KTCW4qz

I don't know, if they really are porting Linux to run on sparc (a rumor I heard) then maybe it would be OK to stay. If you are young/out of college and looking for experience with chip design or something.

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Post ID: @1kfx+KTCW4qz

@KTCW4qz-1dyt

As someone who was asked to join Oracle in Burlington, recently. Specific to sparc.

If I were that someone, I would run as fast as I could in the opposite direction.

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Post ID: @1hyk+KTCW4qz

Where do you foresee the sites most affected by these cuts? In terms of where is the work staying being performed? As someone who was asked to join Oracle in Burlington, recently. Specific to sparc.

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Post ID: @1dyt+KTCW4qz

Wow. I had no idea it was so glum there now. I got the ax in 2015. Some others I know got axed this year. It was always folly to expect or anticipate that ORACLE would continue Solaris forever. Still hurts though. Solaris was always the cool smart kid on the OS block.

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Post ID: @1cyg+KTCW4qz

Yeah, sorry I got all defensive. All the doom and gloom is making me a little ornery. (Plus, we've got Trump becoming our President) It's hard to enjoy the holidays wondering if the ax will fall on you come January..It's really tough for all of us-everywhere.. Most of what I've heard mirrors what you have stated. Something is coming in January.

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Post ID: @tox+KTCW4qz

Cheers, Mate. Absolutely in no way did I mean to imply that things weren't bad in the States, esp. headquarters. We know quite well that they are - it's just that we have less information to go on here. Stay strong.

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Post ID: @teh+KTCW4qz

I agree with everything you said (being a Systems employee myself) except: "Outside the US (where things can develop much more slowly), we're mostly in the dark and apprehensive. "

What makes you think those of us in the US we aren't just as apprehensive? We are. What makes you think we aren't also in the dark? We are. We all know the ax is falling January 2017. Everyone is updating their resume and those who aren't have their heads in the sand.

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