What are the causes?
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Some first lines are decent. Like the ones who come off the shop floor.
Generals, 3rds, etc... ha most are a joke.
We are agreed on your last post.
What I will add is that it is more true at the lower levels, first level, then high up.
The "Supper Wackjob Creodont Managers" are the ones that are promoted. So there are more of them (percentage) the higher you go up the org.
In Defense of Management @1kcy
For every Supper Wackjob Creodont Manager, there are ten stellar role models.
I am not in management, so I have no explanation why other managers do not
Step up to shut down the Crazies.
Management looks to be modeled on law enforcement’s Thin Blue Line Culture.
Here criminal acts and outrages behaviors are ignored, to the detriment of all.
I do not understand it, many colleagues I’ve talked with, do not understand it.
Boeing’s Chicago corporate headquarters has a training camp for leadership.
Is it a Cult, Training prospects in idolizing Boeing to suppress ones morality?
Some come out Crazed, while others maintain their humanity and Professionalism.
The 4-22 manager that sent the email detailing problems is no longer with us.
The message to all of us is clear; morality in leadership will not be tolerated.
It’s a mess;
Without Positive Leadership Standards, you cannot form a Stable Organization.
Rot of one apple spreads decay to the rest. Management by its nature is isolated.
Disease spreads quickly in an enclosed environment left unchecked the barrel rots
I understand the need to maintain structure but to keep rotting beams is insane.
Ed Pierson a Former Boeing Manager Who Pointed Out Production Issues
With 737 will testify at hearing
https://theprint.in/world/former-boeing-manager-who-pointed-out-production-issues-with-737-max-to-testify-at-hearing/332844/
Boeing’s Chicago Corporate Headquarters Promotes Rot
Company executives and senior leaders on the 737 program were
Made aware of Mr. Pierson’s concerns, discussed them in detail, and took
Appropriate steps to assess them,” the company said in the statement.
Their Appropriate Steps, Get Rid of Ed
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Anybody else interviewing:
"Anyone think the max may never fly again?"....Not out if the realm of possibility! Maybe a 1 percent chance.
{Anyone think the max may never fly again?}???
What do you care U don’t have a job
Or have you not seen @12maIUC0-7sfr
Would you board that Mad Max Machine?
Anyone think the max may never fly again?
Estimated return to service pushed to April
TheFlightChannel
Here's What Really Happened to Flight 302
@128SMYlY-1mhm
Shudderdown
300+ citizens died, with their families and extended families affected. Blood is on the hands of the board and management team.
Prison is right for manslaughter at the minimum
Boeing 737 MAX Crashes Immediately After Takeoff
Here's What Really Happened to Flight 610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T5xhHzZjPQ
TheFlightChannel provides the latest in animation replay combined with
C—pit Actions, Aircraft Configuration, Communications and Radar Data
Other details are the pilot’s skill levels and an overview of passengers onboard.
This gives you a full understanding of the circumstances of the lost aircraft.
It also quiets those who would blame the pilot’s as an unskilled root cause.
This was a Max 8 with 343 cycles and 895 flight hours logged.
It was delivered to Lion Air Aug. 13 -2018.
The Pilot in Command is 31yo with 7 years of service and 6,028 hours experience,
With 5,176 of those hours in a Boeing 737.
The Copilot has 5,174 hours of flight experience with 4,286 hours in a Boeing 737.
Such detail would never be seen or talked about on any {so called news network}
Such details lay bare the criminality of Corporations and Governments.
Corporations and Governments around the world hate the internet.
Because it exposes all of them.
Do we not add Additional Penalties for attempting to profit from Homicide?
Stay Informed:
Here are the reference materials @1zgw to your point
Boeing’s automatic trim for the 737 MAX was not disclosed to the Pilots
https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/14/boeings-automatic-trim-for-the-737-max-was-not-disclosed-to-the-pilots/
Author: Bjorn Fehrm, Aeronautical and Economic Analyst / Fighter Pilot
https://leeham.net/about/team/
The Public has been deliberately misinformed about the true nature of the MCAS system. The Pilots were left in the dark also. At what level were these decisions made? At what point was the information that merged engine cowlings created a lifting body that made approach to stall an inevitability at far lower thresholds than previous iterations of the 737 internally available? If you think about it, its the Ford Pinto "exploding gas tank" all over again. Once Boeing command staff had painted themselves into a corner, they bulled ahead in arrogant defiance of the physics of the flight envelope, and people died.
This makes the boardroom level executives a kind of serial k–ler squad.
There is only one answer for corporate malfeasance at this level. Prison.
http://users.wfu.edu/palmitar/Law&Valuation/Papers/1999/Leggett-pinto.html
{What Are The Causes}? That is quite a full plate and is subjective.
IMO: The boards of directors are disconnected from day to day operations of BAC
As well as some on site managers, they are thinking with charts and graphs.
This drives their decision making, with no consideration for the on hands tasks.
They have lost touch with what it is to be in the trenches and doing the work.
It seems their mental state is that of the Führer in the closing days of the war.
Looking over maps and assigning resources that were nonexistent or so depleted,
As to be non effective. Exhausting the work force and pushing the production rate
Beyond the physical capacity of the final assembly line itself.
Remember we had more than 30 aircraft pushed outside the 4-22 building
Covered With Tags, in many cases this means disassembly to install components.
To that end this means The (SME’s) who do that work are not running that install.
As they disassembly someone else’s work to make that missed install.
IMO:
This type of haphazard work is Unacceptable as-is the incoherent management
That allows this to continue.
Conclusion: There is a complete disconnect between management and process.
ADD To This Mess Falling Morale: Due to the above mentioned.
And management shooting of its mouth about a time line to re-certify the Max.
When we all can do the math, this shows the board of directors as out of touch.
Bombastic Buffoonery: Adding credence that the captains of Boeing are
Highly Incompetent and Completely Ignorant of the needs for
Aircraft production on this scale.
They have been living in a Blue Bubble isolated,
While intoxicated by power with the trappings of prestige and a lavish income.
See FAA Is A Joke Thread @11CjeUhV-2epq
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Thread: Boeing Layoffs 2020 @125x0wiw
Post: - @125x0wiw-7bhf - The post is relevant to this thread
In that thread it sounds like a recruiter was fishing
4 years ago we had a manager with an MBA over our engineering group.
Boeing was his first job, it is his only job.
What a disaster, on top of being incompetent he was also a horrible person.
No leadership skills, no interpersonal skills and no communication skills.
Because of the culture highly qualified people don’t want to be managers.
So when the company uses coercion to mold qualified people into management,
We get unhappy highly qualified people acting as management.
At the highest levels corporate management will not let them do the right thing.
Having a bunch of MBAs in every department, running every show. Can't tell a reamer from a tap, but whatever. Not promoting skilled workers, just hiring more pretty business majors. Barf!
Greed
McDonald Douglass
- Sick Twisted Perverse Avarice Greed
The Boeing board of directors holds Criminal Liability.
In the willful and callous disregard of human life, putting Profit and
Market Share first as it certified the Max with the full knowledge of MCAS flaws
and the full consequences of that system’s flaws.
The New Boeing Standard: Save a Nickel, Save A Dime, Gotta to Make Takt Time
Furthermore the board along with its subordinates in the company, along with
Members of the FAA displayed a depraved indifference toward human life
After the first crash in continuing to hold valid the Max Aircraft Certification
While in possession of statements and material facts detailing the fatal flaws
of the Max aircraft and its Certification Process.
Because this case involves members of our government and its institutions this
matter should be turned over to International Criminal Court for disposition.
Justice will not be served in our corrupted institutions, where money is law
And people are an inconvenience.
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- United Orders 50 Airbus A321XLR
United Airlines is a solid Boeing customer with Max-9 deliveries and Max-10’s on order, however these larger Max aircraft cannot fulfill all the needs of such airlines
Time marches on and their 757 fleet can no longer keep up with the demands of
Passenger Service, so the aging 757 fleet is to be relegated to Cargo Duty.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/United-Airlines
The competition is driving United’s purchase decision, both US and overseas
airlines have chosen the A321XLR to replace the 757’s as Boeing has no offering
In that niche. There is simply no new aircraft from Boeing for use as a comparison.
The A321XLR follow-up is building on the success of the A320 platform, a more
modern & expandable foundation {apparently}. If Airbus can pull it off it will have
A Single Type Certificate for a wide spectrum of load and range. This would create
A new standard in the industry. It has not been an easy road for Airbus they’ve
had many setbacks in development, primarily with their flight control systems.
And 8 aircraft losses since 1988 http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a320.htm
However the fly by wire technology in this class will give Airbus an upper hand.
{I Am Not A Fan} of Airbus’s underlying principles in their application of FBW
At Boeing we use FBW for the 777 program, when done properly it yields benefits.
To be done correctly the technology requires Triple-Redundant PFC’s at a Minimum
Boeing knows this; the technology is 50 years old, that’s 50 years of knowledge.
This Fact makes is astonishingly incomprehensible that anyone at Boeing could
Clam that the Max Disasters are accidents and were unforeseeable.
Is an Accident still an Accident when the root cause is deliberate?
Shame On Boeing They Knew; They Know
Shame On The FAA They Knew; They Know
None of us who build aircraft are stupid enough to believe their excuses.
- Additional References:
How Does The Fly-By-Wire in Boeing 777 Differ From The Airbus System?
http://www.askcaptainlim.com/-airplanes-aviation-39/631-how-does-the-fly-by-wire-in-boeing-777-differs-from-the-airbus-system.html
An Analysis of the Boeing 777 Fly-By-Wire System
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/analysis-boeing-777-fly-by-wire-system-jaime-beneyto-g%C3%B3mez-de-barreda
Boeing a Proud Sponsor of {MCAS} (Mass Casualties Activation System)
Because at Boeing, Only Bad Ideas Can Get Better
Thread Here we go @128SMYlY
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Every Time, A NEW nonsensical or baseless thread is started
It Pushes the older threads off the front page, is this manipulation?
As time goes on the highly negative news is replaced with the mundane
The news cycle moves on and people forget.
Governments and Corporations alike, count on it
So it does not matter if it's baseless, it serves a purpose
Disinformation works, it distracts, it divides. Solution Ignore.