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Caste: The Blind Spot in Cisco's DEI Efforts

Cisco, like all the tech giants, has dived headlong into DEI. However, these efforts - though well-intentioned - are overwhelmingly centered around the American experience of race - namely the black–white historical divide. This narrow focus has led to a dangerous blind spot.

Over the past decades, Cisco has hired large numbers of professionals from South Asia. These individuals bring with them great capabilities and strong work ethics. But they also bring deeply ingrained cultural hierarchies - especially caste.

When Westerners hear "caste", they often think only in terms of Varna - Brahmins, Dalits, and so on. But what truly governs social dynamics among many South Asians is Jati - a much more granular system akin to clan or kinship in the West. Layered beneath Jati are Gotra and Kula systems, which tie people into extended familial and regional identities.

Within Cisco, these caste-based biases are rarely named, yet painfully obvious to those affected - and to those with eyes to see.

Employees from so-called "lower" castes are routinely sidelined, given menial tasks, or denied mentorship and advancement. Meanwhile, those from dominant Jatis often promote and elevate one another, sometimes with little merit beyond shared background. The behavior is subtle but pervasive - driven by clannish loyalty and cultural conditioning. The Jati system is endogamous - so internal self-promotion and aggrandizement is quite normal.

The saddest part? Leadership appears completely unaware. DEI efforts continue to focus on traditional U.S. racial frameworks while deeply embedded casteism festers beneath the surface. This creates a two-tiered system: one that publicly champions fairness, while privately enabling exclusion.

Ironically, white Americans and Muslims are often left out of these caste dynamics altogether. The harshest discrimination tends to be intra-community - those seen as "lower" by their own peers bear the brunt.

On a few occasions, I've been so disturbed by the blatant nature of this bias that I've reached out directly to people I saw affected. Their responses are heartbreaking - resignation, exhaustion, and the quiet burden of generational marginalization. They've simply learned to endure.

Ignorance of caste doesn't make it disappear. A truly inclusive workplace demands that we name all forms of inequity - not just the ones we're most familiar with.

Transparency: I am Western-born, ethnically Indian, of a (so-called) high caste.

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@yf okay thanks !! Indian HCL co-founder used to say "Panni parakāmā" back in 1990's.. i was 20 somethings those days.. no clue what he meant...

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Post ID: @yg+1jyraekwk

@y5 Its a quote from Orwell. Read more...

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Post ID: @yf+1jyraekwk

@xh

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

hmm... equal but not equal ... hmm you are the smart cookie aren't you ??

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Post ID: @y5+1jyraekwk

Caste in the natural end point of DEI. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

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Transparency: I am Western-born, ethnically Indian, of a (so-called) high caste.

what happened ? did you crossover? this caste bias only between Indians.. may be you got non-indian spouse ..

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Post ID: @n1+1jyraekwk
not even the experience of his MBA could wash out the caste mindset...

That you aren't seeing exactly the same things along a myriad of dividing lines in the US would be humorous if it weren't so sad.

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Post ID: @m8+1jyraekwk

....and it doesn't "wash out" without exposure to life in the West

at another company, a small startup, I (and every other white American) was exposed to it by a CEO who had gone through Kellogg MBA

not even the experience of his MBA could wash out the caste mindset, and it was crazy for folks to realize that even in a tiny startup, he expected "yes boss"

what's even crazier is he was eventually fired from his own company by the VCs...his caste mindset was lighting their money on fire

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Post ID: @ek+1jyraekwk
No place for this in the USA.

Where have you been for the past 400 years? Even now, just look at the 22 year old white kid whose big skill was putting groceries in bags who is now heading US terr0r1sm prevention. This is to meritocracy as worshiping billionaires is to populism. As a country we're profoundly stupid.

So it is with Cisco as a company. You can't have a meritocracy if you have no understanding of what merit is. Both Cisco's metrics and their endless violations from ISO9000 to coding standards to correct coding to ethics and beyond are largely meaningless to Cisco's employees and leadership which is why Cisco has been messed up for decades. Even if Cisco had employees with skills, leadership still wouldn't know what to do with them. The rest is bad theater.

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Post ID: @ej+1jyraekwk

Hey ChatGPT - what does this have to do with layoffs?

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Post ID: @cf+1jyraekwk

@c4 don't worry.. this thread will be deleted soon by some privileged patel.

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Post ID: @c5+1jyraekwk

"we are seeing large number of american-indian politicians in USA, its just a matter of time before these caste system bias goes to every corner of life in USA not just Cisco/tech industry".

One thing i love about our diversity, is that it makes racist shitbags like you squirm. Enjoy your weekend sc-mbag.

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Post ID: @c4+1jyraekwk

more H1Bs to make sure this problem comes to Cisco.

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Post ID: @c1+1jyraekwk

we are seeing large number of american-indian politicians in USA, its just a matter of time before these caste system bias goes to every corner of life in USA not just Cisco/tech industry.

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Post ID: @bs+1jyraekwk

Regretfully completely agree.

No place for this in the USA. But it is indeed happening in the domestic USA. Not sure how we got here.

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