Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

What the he-l? some lame supervisors coming here and twisting the argument into how hard it is for supervisors?

The argument here is how bad and low a person has to go to get such a role?

As a past supervisor, I can attest that I had to terribly do stupid and wasteful things, power point achievements out of nothing, meetings, meaningless safety and ergo discussions and a lot of ape kissing to become one of the so called leaders. It was then even more disgusting to see my supervisor colleagues and how management worked. I quit a long time ago. This is all before the layoff forced ranking etc. I can tell you anyone making to that role is a disgusting human and anyone keeping that job and that career track is even worse.

@wfv+1fshpHAq LDS followers believe that God spoke to one of the LDS "prophets" in 1978 and said it was no longer a sin to be a black person. I'm not perfect but at least I'm not that d-mb.

There is a tick box in Career Connect: career interest. Leadership role, Individual contributor, Both. If you were asked to become a Supervisor then you ticked the first or the third option. So you are not a victim

@cif+1fshpHAq the LDS employees are no better or worse than everyone else, get off your high horse BYU

I know people who were promoted to supervisor and found themselves unsuited for the job. They were allowed to continue as individual contributors and are still doing good.
Especially given the turn that the company has taken in the last couple of years, anybody who accepts a supervisor position knows exactly in what kind of swamp they’re getting in. Even before It was a pretty dirty job, with fake forced ranking, so it’s difficult to have much compassion for them.

Please give it a rest. You accepted the job and you understood the role. You are not a victim you had a choice. You also understand that you are not going to change the system and if you don't like the job asked to be moved back to technical. Just stop with the noble and ethical thing.

I don't want to get all Howard Hughesie here, but if only ethical employees accepted Supervisory roles in EM - we'd be stuck with an LDS managerial monopoly.
Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but for that XOM stock sell-off a couple years ago, Piscatarians did it too. green Britain.

There is simply no way out of this quandary.
So let's just keep recruiting the occasional decent-grades 2nd-tier school engineers with the key Narcisso/A$$-kissing skills to fill out the management gap.
Separate from the actual Ethical Engineer types.

All agree?
Why change?