https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvqe3le3z4o
VRBP please!
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How unbelievably stupid would you have to be to believe a word that comes out of that sc-mbag's mouth? I'm embarrassed for you all.
"Not wanting counter opinions is typical of Marxist behavior"
Of much more relevance today it's 100% typical of - I'd go further and say a prerequisite of - MAGA behavior....
All other sites allow companies to pay or otherwise encourage employees to post positive reviews. They can’t detect that, so of course they can’t stop it. In consequence, they have lots of happy reviews.
Reviews on this site are not so curated. Companies don’t want employees posting here at all. Of course it’s “full of negativity”; it’s a site about layoffs.
I had a mix of managers at SAS. Half of them praised me; the other half blamed me. That’ll definitely mess with your mind. So I’m grateful for the validation I found on this site.
“ and this the only forum where the company can't pay to curate the messages (as far as we know).”
The only forum? Umm this is 2025. There are many venues not “controlled” by “the company”.
Go read thelayoff.com for any big company. Every one of them full of negativity.
Frankly, people want validation of their experiences, not endless happy talk. They've been exposed to endless happy talk their entire careers, and are trying to resolve the cognitive dissonance of "all happy talk" against the reality of bad experiences -- they want to know that they aren't crazy, and this the only forum where the company can't pay to curate the messages (as far as we know).
I've seen plenty of posts on this and other forums suggesting that the "Best Place to Work" was not so. Once folks were outside, and they reality tested company statements, they found them a bit disingenuous. Why would positive talk about the company's finances be any different? For me, it's just more of the same blather.
If you are one of the lucky folks whose career has taken off at SAS, then that's great for you! Congratulations! Others of us weren't so lucky. And it wasn't because we were terrible people or lacking in some way.
" to want an environment where no counter opinions, especially positive ones, can be made…."
Not wanting counter opinions is typical of Marxist behavior
@wd+1jjs5fsej The irony is you seem to want an environment where no counter opinions, especially positive ones, can be made….
All this negativity is ki-ling my mojo, man!
If we can't censor negative comments on this channel, like we do on others, then how can we market Prego Studio successfully?!?!
Company culture permits Happy Talk only! Comments violating these norms are complete baloney, and we must put a stop to it!
By the order of Alfred E. Neuman, it shall be decreed that only positive, praising comments are allowed henceforth! It shall be done!
Why are you here, then? Why not just leave?
Because it’s my job.
"I am irritated by the levels of made up BS on this site."
Why are you here, then? Why not just leave?
“ You should try to understand why you are picking fights. Are you angry, did you get hurt, do you need attention? Your behavior is not in your own interest.”
You are such a passive aggressive hypocrite. That last comment is not but trying to provoke. I can assure you I’m not hurt or angry, I am irritated by the levels of made up BS on this site.
You assume everyone else agrees with you and thinks I’m wrong. You assume all posts are from a single person.
You are a humanassumption machine.
Did someone hurt you? Yep still stupid when I say it also.
“Attacked :). Go reread it. You might be overly sensitive or dramatic.”
No; and this isn’t about my feelings. You made a false statement, saying that I had expressed certainty.
In fact, I did not. I used words including probably, my guess, and it’s a fair bet.
Obviously, anyone expressing certainty about the matter must be wrong. Thus accusing me of certainty enabled you both to start an argument, and to win it. You set up a “straw man”, so you could knock him down.
The person who called you “provocateur” is right, but you’re not provoking rational discussions. You’re just picking fights, over small and made-up issues.
This creates a negative impression among all who read your posts. One result is that we take you less seriously when you do share a good idea.
You should try to understand why you are picking fights. Are you angry, did you get hurt, do you need attention? Your behavior is not in your own interest.
“ seeming to suggest only he or she has the 100% factually right opinion, ”
Try reading stuff again. I’ve never once said or implied I’m 100% factually right. I’ve straight out said that much of what is said is wrong or unknowable despite the concrete statements. But you read into things all you want.
“ Then I got attacked for of the alleged certainty of my opinion.”
Attacked :). Go reread it. You might be overly sensitive or dramatic.
I feel the same. Everybody is so fragile when someone doesn’t agree with them. Oh you don’t agree with me? I feel attacked. Or someone must be paying you to think that.
suspect it's only one angry person, and agree with the other commentator, a psychologist or counselor would have to help figure out the reasons.
people seem to feel sad to see the decline of something that was great that we were lucky to contribute to and benefit from, so share their stories or views, right or wrong (no one person, even the big guy. has the "full truth" about a complex organization and industry), and yet this person just gets very angry for whatever reason(s), seeming to suggest only he or she has the 100% factually right opinion, everyone else is wrong or must not work there anymore, and if they work there, they should leave or stfu with complaints, or the others are "anonymous posters" who therefore must know nothing by virtue of being commenters on some anonymous forum. it's sad, but good luck to all, including you, super angry person.
“What motivates such a strong disagreement…”
I wrote probably, it’s a fair bet, and my guess. Then I got attacked for of the alleged certainty of my opinion.
This person, or persons, makes up reasons to attack. Often, though not always, that’s a defensive response to getting hurt.
I’ll stick with that hypothesis for now, but am open to the $$$ idea 😊.
“ What motivates such a strong disagreement …”
He’s a simple and transparent provocateur.
What motivates such a strong disagreement
$$$
I can agree that the posts are anecdotal observations of others, and that others don't have the whole information about what exactly is going on with the company. I can see this, allow some grace -- it doesn't motivate me to refute the observations for the sake of "being right".
But it leaves me with several questions:
- What motivates such a strong disagreement with the observations of others?
- Who would be motivated to disagree so strongly?
- Who is threatened by others stating jaded views of the company?
- Who feels the need to correct the strange logical jumps of others like they are some sort of Professor?
- Do the alternative views on this site threaten the self-image of such a person?
Interesting questions. I expect to be labeled as some sort of 'loon' or 'wrong' in some way for the above post. The pattern is predictable.
“ It would take a psychologist to learn how the person got hurt, and to help them move on from it.”
The word “how” continues to imply that you somehow know the person got hurt based on anonymous posts and no idea of what posts belong to what person.
It would take a psychologist to learn why you think you have this ability.
@na+1jjs5fsej I wrote “It’s a fair bet” because that is the most likely explanation.
Humans are hard-wired to respond to pain with anger. We all do it.
So my guess is that person, or persons, who continually trashes others’ posts, with name-calling, personal attacks, and other irrational responses, probably got hurt.
As you say, it’s impossible to analyze a person on an anonymous site. It would take a psychologist to learn how the person got hurt, and to help them move on from it.
“ Company Man and Company Boy at it again?
Broken record. Again…
Those who have nothing else to contribute just name call. Not to make it political but that sounds an awful lot like the behavior of a certain leader of the free world.
You all are very sensitive when PEOPLE don’t agree with y’all.
Company Man and Company Boy at it again?
“ It’s a fair bet he did get hurt, by someone, in some way that drives him to lash out at others.”
That isn’t a fair bet at all. Anyone who thinks they can analyze a person on anonymous site without even knowing which messages are by same people is naive or wrongfully arrogant.
We agree it could be more than one person. But it is likely only one. The pattern of language is consistent: the personal attacks, name-calling, complaints about repetition, lack of rational argument.
For example, I never said that they disagreed with me. I said that they attack others, because they do.
Some person, or persons, got hurt, so they attack. It’s a natural response — even though the people they attack are not the ones who hurt them.
“Ooh. Ouch. Eloquent comeback, antagonist doosh.”
Ooh. Ouch. Eloquent comeback, antagonist doosh.
Mirror much?
@jx+1jjs5fsej “Only one person continually trashes others’ posts, making personal attacks, calling names and complaining about repetition, without making a rational argument”
Someone is making a lot of assumptions. Any post that doesn’t agree with you MUST all be the same person. That is a real rational viewpoint my friend,
Looks like the 33 upvoter/downvoter person is at it again.
90% of the people on here seem butthurt. Including you.
Ooh. Ouch. Eloquent comeback, antagonist doosh.
These butthurt comments are ki-ling my mojo, man. Don't write insults to those of us who have suffered a loss. Kick back with a Growler of your favorite microbrews, jam on your guitar, or plan the next Hackathon.
Some who post here actually did get hurt at SAS Institute. But most are simply saddened by its decline. Many try to analyze what went wrong, and predict what will happen next.
Only one person continually trashes others’ posts, making personal attacks, calling names and complaining about repetition, without making a rational argument.
It’s a fair bet he did get hurt, by someone, in some way that drives him to lash out at others.
@jb+1jjs5fsej which one. 90% of the people on here seem butthurt. Including you.
butthurt guy is quite the doosh, isn’t he?
@cv+1jjs5fsej
You should have stopped at "Can't refute", my friend.
@bf+1jjs5fsej
“ You sound like you're a little bit butthurt, my friend. Resentful, even, that other people say things you don't agree with but that you can't refute. You should relax. It's not that important.“
Nah my butt feels good. Fantastic even. Very firm.
Can’t refute versus not bothering to refute the firehouse of PP, DKE, business school case study comments are two different things.
I don’t see the value in such a conversation on anonymous layoff site.
Countdown to next post repeating those exact same things begins now. Broken record.
That's what we call "projection", my friend.
If you're young, get out as soon as you can. Unless you are a Developer or a pet (or better yet, a pet Developer), your career will suffer tremendously. Nobody wants to hire people who've worked on aging, low/no profit software, where there is no access to customers or industry standard processes and technology -- Nobody.
I don’t know of anything that could have happened in anyone’s life that justifies attacking each other on this forum.
We are all saddened by the decline of SAS. This should be a place where we can help each other process what happened and give advice on next steps. '
E.g.:
If you’re old, and only need a few more years, hang on. You’ll probably get them.
If you’re young, don’t be a damn fool.
You sound like you're a little bit butthurt
I do feel empathy knowing that something bad happened to you when you were young. Abuse of a child is a despicable act. No child should be treated the way you were. I would suggest that you discuss the posterior probing, whichhas remained everpresent in your mind this many years, with a qualified psychiatrist. Your mental health is important, not only to you but to those around you. Thoughts and prayers are with you.
@ar+1jjs5fsej
You sound like you're a little bit butthurt, my friend. Resentful, even, that other people say things you don't agree with but that you can't refute. You should relax. It's not that important.