It’s probably the only way to fix things.
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I do not think that any would come.
Most former employees are more sad than angry. We spent much of our careers at SAS, so we want what we built to have lasting value. We’d absolutely come back, if we could reverse the decline.
But a number of us left because of poor managers, or because we lost faith in their direction. We’re not coming back unless we can fix the problems — and for that, we’d need to see wholesale change.
Which ones, the ones that created most of the problems, never considered a new idea or were unable to learn anything new .... or the good ones? I don't know any good ones that want to come back to that mess. You want the others to come back and create Viya2 maybe?
I'm going to go home. Take a nap. Go over to Thelma Lou's. Watch the Guardians on Jerrold. Repeat.
Oh, man. I could swear that had already wrapped up by the time of the Great DevOps R&D ReOrg, but that was literally the next day. It all feels so far away now that it fell out of my head.
Too much has happened now to reverse the decline. It's like watching a relative die a slow and painful death. Unless some very deep cuts are made and some very serious stock is taken of what could be done to save the company, the decline will continue.
It did not have to be this way. Way way too much managerial bloat, too many yes people, too many friends of the family and not nearly enough accountability and not enough worker bees. A technology company can't allow itself to fall behind its peers.Sas has.
@1krh+1rLZRVtS "Children's House Debacle"
They farmed out the day care to an outside company. Over the next year or so, almost all of the staff quit and took better jobs.
Not restricted by a VRBO but would still not consider coming back, even for a just wage and a $100K signing bonus. At some point one has to realize the ride is over and there’s more to life than a continuous stream of sprints punctuated by periodic tech cluster fuxs.
There is freedom outside of Shangri-La.
I know it’s a tad off-topic, but what was the “Children’s House debacle?” 10/31/2021 rapturee here.
I would absolutely come back, under the right manager. I spent 25+ years in SAS R&D. When you make that kind of commitment, you want your work to have lasting value, and you would certainly come back to help.
But only 1/3 of my managers were caring humans, competent at their jobs. Another 1/3 were nice people, but not very good. The final 1/3 were toxic incompetents, who should never have been allowed to manage animals, and certainly not people.
You tell me who my manager is, and I’ll tell you whether I’ll come back. But the odds are 2 out of 3 that SAS does not have enough money to pay me.
"What happened on 10/31/2021?"
That was the last day of employment for those "accepting" the 2nd VRBP.
"since 10/31/2021 (second rapture)"
What happened on 10/31/2021? IIRC, we had two voluntary retirements before then, the Children's House debacle, and maybe some people in Sales and Education were laid off. Nothing I would describe as the "second rapture".
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"What me worry?"
Jimfred H. G'dnight!
Let it burn.
We signed an iron-clad contract as part of the VRBP, that we could never work for SAS, or any SAS-related subsidiary, until ((the end of time) + 1).
Some of us retirees found new jobs that pay substantially more than we were making at SAS at the time of our retirement. That said, if SAS would match my current salary, I would certainly consider coming back for a few years. Especially if we were allowed to address and fix the serious/fatal design flaws in Viya, and prop up the v9 cash cow.
But that is a woozy daydream, for all of the reasons so eloquently espoused in many threads here since 10/31/2021 (second rapture).
Change has to occur at the very top level, the CEO, but it is all too late. Hiring people back won't fix the downward spiral.
Fix what? Viya? Why? That ship has already sailed. Customers voted with their feet. Lost opportunities are seldom recaptured.