Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

It's raise and promotion week, but not for you

Not for you if you are GenX, not for you if you've worked here for years, carrying both older employees who are retired in place and younger employees who were never trained and never held accountable for knowing how to do their jobs.

Not for you if you're competent in your job role and you just keep plugging away every day.

Not for you unless you post on Linkedin about how amazing the # saslife is.

Not for you.

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@w4

"Grow a pair and ask whatever questions you have.”

This guy is exactly the kind of clueless loser trash that will punish you for even looking at them. It’s stunning what garbage most SAS execs and management are.

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Post ID: @ym7+1jt735am1

@wf "No one is stifling questions. Ask your questions.”

Holy cow, this is the funniest thing I will read all day. I honestly don't understand how a person this completely unaware of their surroundings isn’t sleeping on a park bench but that’s how the SAS anti-meritocracy works, I guess.

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Post ID: @tjh+1jt735am1

Nailed the sas culture

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Post ID: @31f+1jt735am1

Why blame the younger generations when it's complacency and nepotism in management that got rid of your promotions and bonuses.

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Post ID: @1zx+1jt735am1

John Wayne mentality.

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Post ID: @zf+1jt735am1

Victim mentality

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Post ID: @yz+1jt735am1

@w4+1jt735am1

Afraid to use our voices. Sure, okay. I asked plenty of questions. They were ignored or quietly dismissed.

Please stop telling us we didn't experience what we experienced.

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Post ID: @yt+1jt735am1

I and others got hurt by questioning authority, when SAS was doing well. In these latter days, when managers are actively working to reduce headcount, it’s not worth the risk.

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Post ID: @yc+1jt735am1

“ Suppressing questions stifles innovation. That’s one reason SAS Institute is in decline.”

Oh please. No one is stifling questions. Ask your questions.
Trumped up charge sheet because people asked a question(s)… excuse after excuse.

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Post ID: @wf+1jt735am1

In my experience, many SAS managers were not highly skilled. The strong ones welcomed questions, because they wanted to do better.



The weak ones felt threatened. They were insecure, because they did not understand what they were managing.

The bad ones reacted by punishing the questioner. They’d take it out of your paycheck, giving a smaller raise or bonus, or denying a promotion.

In the worst cases, questioning authority resulted in trumped-up charges, with the questioner being forced to leave the company.

Suppressing questions stifles innovation. That’s one reason SAS Institute is in decline.

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Post ID: @wa+1jt735am1

“ And they wonder why employees are not engaged...they are cucking flueless”

Agreed you employees claiming you can’t ask questions are cucking flueless.
Grow a pair and ask whatever questions you have. It isn’t because someone gives you a look….

It’s because you are afraid to use your voice.

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@tt+1jt735am1

Thanks for the reminder! The department I worked for used that tactic as well. After awhile, you learn that questions are not welcome.

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Post ID: @vg+1jt735am1

"When they sense you are thinking about asking what they feel is an impertinent question, they give you "the look". "

The "look" is only one tactic. In my department a more common tactic is to let one ask their question or interject their point. No answer is given to the question and no discussion on the point,. Quiet dismissiveness is how they respond to either. And they wonder why employees are not engaged...they are cucking flueless.

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@qh+1jt735am1

Mock my response all you like. Some departments don't welcome questions. They say they do, but in reality, they don't.

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Post ID: @te+1jt735am1

“ When they sense you are thinking about asking what they feel is an impertinent question, they give you "the look". "The look" is a signal to shut up and get back in your place. Those insensitive to "the look", soon find themselves on the "to be managed out" list.”

Ahh that makes more sense. Mind control is being used to prevent people from asking questions

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Post ID: @qh+1jt735am1

@ar+1jt735am1

When they sense you are thinking about asking what they feel is an impertinent question, they give you "the look". "The look" is a signal to shut up and get back in your place. Those insensitive to "the look", soon find themselves on the "to be managed out" list.

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@cx+1jt735am1

Yes, and I love it!

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Post ID: @dh+1jt735am1

I'm a millennial and didn't get a raise or promotion. Seems like all Gen Z did. They cried they would leave if they didn't because their peers at other companies are getting promoted at faster rates. For the rest of us, we're chopped liver and not the future of the company. Maybe if we whine and pitch a fit we'll see something next year, if we even stick around until then. They showed who they valued this year with raises and promotions. If you didn't get either AND no bonus too, I'd count your days. Those who got all 3 are definitely the golden ones who are safe and what the company values. Be more like them and your future is bright here.

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Post ID: @d4+1jt735am1

End days for sure. Watching things unfold is like watching a train wreck frame by frame. But hey let's just create more new products and nobody will notice.

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Post ID: @cx+1jt735am1

“ There is no rhyme or reason to the few people I know who were promoted. ”

No rhyme or reason that you know. Unless you are managing the people directly or indirectly the you have a great view for 500 yards away.

This year absolutely su-ks. But sour graping on others is a bad look.

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Post ID: @cs+1jt735am1

Have never in all my years here been treated so poorly financially speaking. There is no rhyme or reason to the few people I know who were promoted. SAS is making terrible mistakes and compounding existing problems by alienating the backbone of its workforce.

Young people and diversity initiatives look good on paper for eggheads analyzing the company's prospects. But that's it.

These are the end days.

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Post ID: @cn+1jt735am1

“ taboo to even ask”
How do you know it’s taboo to ask if you didn’t actually ask?

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Post ID: @ar+1jt735am1

Maybe the plan is to let no raises and no promotions cause attrition so the more costly reduction methods can be eliminated or at least deferred. In other words, no raise and no promotions is the new headcount reduction plan.

The benevolence of buy outs is not sustainable and has to end sometime. Perhaps we have reached that point.

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Post ID: @af+1jt735am1

Our department was never even told we weren’t getting anything. I figured they’d at least show some professionalism by telling us we weren’t getting anything this year. Instead it just went unmentioned and it’s all hush hush and taboo to even ask. Poor leadership.

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Post ID: @aa+1jt735am1

@OP+1jt735am1
Now you know exactly how much value those things have to the company, anon. Or they correctly concluded that you're not a flight risk. Or you don't have the right patrons. Or some combination of some or all of the above. That's it really.

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