Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

@1qxw+1ejsZO99
Waah Waah kya mast sahi baat kahi hai.

Translation: Kudos for an accurate description of toxicity called supervisors and a corrupt ranking system.

Answer us NO , welcome to corrupt Annandale…..,

Sometimes there is so much worthless cr-p in this board that makes you wonder. And then there are postings like this from @1qxw+1ejsZO99. Accurate, knowledgeable, to the point.

So thank god, there is some good info here. But people have to be careful. Too much worthless ignorant cr-p is floating around - blue the management parotting.

Even in the better times that ended two years ago, 95% of supervisors would do nothing more than rubber stamp whatever trend you happened to be on in terms of ranking, for exactly the same person and quality of work. It’s not just that they are lazy, but if they think that an (un-sponsored) employee should be ranked higher they would upset the existing balance and some well-connected individual would go down, with negative repercussions from angered sponsors.
Supervisors also get promoted by keeping people above them happy, not by being fair to employees or making sure that the group gets better results. This is the cancer that has been eating EM from the inside for decades.

@gzz I will disagree with you a bit. If one has trended down in rank and one fits an unpopular profile, it doesn't matter if one can demonstrate and defend "hard" financial or production savings which exceed those of the rank group. The Company has demonstrated time and time again they start with the politically correct "answer" from on high and the ranking process simply serves it and is willing to overlook real results in the process. To answer OP's question, the best he can do is hang on if he is slipping toward the bottom regardless if he demonstrated outstanding results in his realm.

OP, there’s nothing whiny about it, it’s a simple, cold calculation. I’m in the same situation. If you know the people in your group, it’s easy to figure out. In my CL ranking group there are hipos and young supervisor with heavy sponsors - all of those have to be top in ranking and that is set in stone, regardless of any performance. I also know that almost all other non-sponsored technical people have moved or have been forced to retire. This is not rocket science and it makes very clear how fake and predictable our ranking is. Being at the bottom of ranking has nothing to do with performance, it’s all a game of musical chairs where those protected have reserved seats.

@eqb+1ejsZO99 I should be fired? You sound like the retired grandpa that DW wants to cater to by providing dividends at the cost of its employees. Now I see why you are heading up your arrogance. And by the way I FIRED XOM because the claimed energy doesn't live there anymore and even if it did it is no longer providing the warmth to employees. Continue sucking up even after retiring, grandpa!

@gzz+1ejsZO99
What you say is typical worthless corporate boilerplate. Do you think anybody still believes your drivel that working hard is the key to improve your ranking at EM? That was never fully true and has become an absolute lie in the last two years. If you would have any trace of professional pride and human decency you would just say nothing.
But you said much more in your second post. Your condescendent style punctuated by insults is typical of low quality managers. Don’t drag the term senior professional in the mud by pretending to be one. You are of those sponsored hypocrites who spent his entire career chasing whatever managerial or “technical” managerial opportunities you could find. That is easy to guess from the way you push discredited corporate lies as if you’re still surrounded by people who have to accept whatever you say. Those days are over, no matter how many insults you throw around.

I understand the question seems whiny since I’m not NI yet, but I can do math. If all the NI/NSI and half the G in my group have left (I was G last year after a history of VG and middle third), and no one has been promoted into the group or promoted out, then it stands to reason that there’s a high probability I will be NI.

I suppose I can cross that bridge when I come to it, but I could also start looking for opportunity now instead of later.

First, you are not NI yet. So what the heck?
Second yes, people have recovered from bottom ranking but not very often. So, if you get there, freshen up your resume.

@ogm+1ejsZO99 "absolutely nothing", "100% Dependent" " not a hipo" ???? Sorry but you are an id--t. Your ALL or Nothing language is sign of a LOSER. I am not a manager, I was a senior professional, but now I am retired and now just a shareholder. You should be FIRED

@gzz+1ejsZO99 your response sounds like one we hear from a manager. Very diplomatic, half true. Your ranking is not 100% dependent on your contributions and they are absolutely nothing relatively if you are not a hi po nor have a sponsor. The person is asking an honest and practical advice and you can't even help him with that! Def mgmt. material you are.

For you to move up, someone has to move down in relative ranking. You need to improve your contributions and impact noticeably. Generate big profits or ideas/processs that hit the bottomline. The higher performers usually can point to material contribution to the bottomline. Profits/Quality and Quantity of Work. I have seen people recover but it was those that made a visible impact (PROFITABLE IMPACT). You have to overtake someone and pass (like a car race). So it means hitting the accelerator (working harder and longer) and going thru the turns faster and maybe riskier so you can sling shot past others that are jus cruising. Supervisors notice those with the after burners firing. just do not crash and burn in the process. If you do not want to put forth the effort, someone else will and you will drift lower

It’s changed since I’ve been there with rank groups, but no you really can’t. A bad ranking weighs on you like an anchor, because of the extreme effort / political capital required for a supervisor to move someone UP in rank groups (which means someone else is sacrificed down).

I never really recovered from a bad first rank, it took a new supervisor essentially “taking points away” from a teammate (don’t get me started how insane that practice is) to give me a slight boost (I did however leave, find a company I was a better fit for and now make more then 4x the salary i was making (which for context was 7 years ago) )

Okay, thanks for the perspectives. All three managers I’ve had are very positive about me, but they blame everything on the ranking system.

I have confidence that managers will not recommend me for NI, but they may not be able to do anything about it.

Similar situation like OP.. i keep hearing the plan to move me out from current role by August 2022. I guess the current management will give me NI/NSi then said that the improvement plan will be moving to next role

I agree with @nac+1ejsZO99 - so much of it depends on your supervisor and their manager and above. I’ve seen people move themselves up but it usually happened when the supervisor changed and the new supervisor formed their own opinion of the person rather than just keeping with what was done previously.

Yes, it is reasonably possible but extremely dependent on your management chain wherever you currently are.

Realistic advice - experienced hires are ranked 50th percentile first ranking year and then go from there. If you have been trending down since your first ranking, the Company has decided your fate. If true, the best you can do is have a sponsor keep you out of the bottom bucket, usually your hiring manager. If you move groups after that, you will definitely wind up in the bottom bucket because you are an experienced hire. Best strategy is to stay close to your hiring manager or be a rock star just to at least survive.