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How long once put on PIP

My manager had a meeting that felt was a heads up about a negative remark he’d put in my annual review (which isn’t for a few months). I assume this meeting was to tell me I’d be marked as a low performer despite having been previously ranked average. How long do you have to improve once on a PIP before being terminated? If you have under a certain amount of service is it less time?

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Post ID: @OP+1pbntmqb

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At my post-ibm company - PIP are days - but with weekly "decision point checkpoints" one could be let go on.

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Post ID: @eytn+1pbntmqb

HR advertises in checkpoint 78% passed a PIP between 2022-2023. Its not a death sentence unless maybe your in sales

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Post ID: @5lkp+1pbntmqb

I seriously doubt it’s an H1B replacing the OP, but rather the work just going off shore as bandwidth and off shore labor rates have gotten very very inexpensive. Big difference. Remember IBM’s services model = 8-10% on shore, 20% near shore (same hemisphere), and the rest off shore Kyndryl was IBM’s test bed for this model, and they have made it work without losing revenue.

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Post ID: @5amg+1pbntmqb

antill you walk out the door / left the company.

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Post ID: @3byn+1pbntmqb

The pips lately seem to be 45 days with impossible goals. IBM is taking the playbook from Amazon and how they use PIPs to reduce staff.

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Post ID: @2gfp+1pbntmqb

Dead man walking.

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Post ID: @2bcj+1pbntmqb

If you are in Canada do NOT quit if put on a PIP. Stick it out. They have to pay you as if they load you off.

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Post ID: @1svc+1pbntmqb

LPIC beginning of August during 1st half review.

PiP start September 11th.

Last day October 20th.

So the answer is super fast!

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Post ID: @1hee+1pbntmqb

What is LPIC and how does it work?

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Post ID: @1aea+1pbntmqb

Just go into the office and take a Dixie. You'll have all the winning cards in your hand to make them pay.

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Post ID: @1tqy+1pbntmqb

You work for a $h1t company Stop spending time on anything other than finding another job NOW before you have the black mark of being fired on your back.

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Post ID: @1dwd+1pbntmqb

Also if you suspect you may have a mental disorder like ADHD,get a review by a pyscologist to see if you have any nuerdoivegent disorder. Then request accommodations. It can protect you especially if the PIP is behavior related.

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Post ID: @ggn+1pbntmqb

I highly recommend you go to Checkpoint to understand low performance identification. Your manager should be giving you at least one LPIC before a PIP. It is a new written warning process HR introduced in 2023. PIPs are usually 30-90 business days and the process is different if your in sales vs. other departments as well as other countries. They can PIP you for anything and you have a right to review the PIP - usually 24 hours. Your manager is incentivized to move things along as fast as possible so you need to ask clarifying questions and ensure its SMART (acronym for how the expectations should be structured). Consult with a laywer and call our your manager that "are you using the PIP under the HR definition or a slow firing, cost cutting measure, managing out process". Doesn't matter if your manager lies, its the fact you asked the question and got an answer. Take notes and timestampes of everything that transpires.

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Post ID: @agg+1pbntmqb

@hyq+1pbntmqb him/her/they/it? really?? grow up... You Are & Laid Off are the relevant pronouns. You have zero game with HR... it is an AI auto response engine with the messaging going to a desk in malaysia. You are a number, and they have zero difficulty finding a way to eliminate you if they find no use for you.

To the original poster: On a PIP - your manager has to define what you need to do, and by when, to keep your job. The items are usually not achievable. Use that time to get a new job ahead of time trying to respond to the pip. I have seen PIPs that provided a quarter to meet massive objectives, or 30 days to hit rather small ones. Either one though is impossible under the circumstances of your accounts, which it is meant to be. ex. You have 30 days to find a new 1m deal and close it. Or, you have 60 days to close the 20M deal with customer A (for which the customer has already sai they will not close for 5 months due to budget constraints. good luck but dust off the resume now and get out ahead

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Post ID: @chg+1pbntmqb

Ckuf IBM.

Any number of actions or circumstances can move you from hero to zero in the blink of an eye:
Territory change
New “focus” products
Pricing changes
Selling off a product line
Failure to properly plan for industry changes

These are all within the remit of senior management, but of course , they’ll blame YOU!

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Post ID: @fln+1pbntmqb

@hyq+1pbntmqb read that bloody comment. Love the Him her they pronoun part. Both of you are absolutely brainwashed by the company. What an absolute clown show. IBM is like high-school all over again. I would get ahead of your boss and quit so you can find a real job. Enjoy the games tho 😉

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Post ID: @xzk+1pbntmqb

If you want to keep your job, get proactive now. Schedule an additional meeting to discuss the negative remark. Tell him/her/they/it that you are ready and willing to make things right. Get specific actions and timelines. Take good notes. Then set up weekly review calls and record the feedback. Also start putting results in the tool so that they must respond in there as well. Bottom line make your Manager work to have to let you go. They hate that. Use the tools to your advantage. HR looks at that stuff because it is Discoverable legally in the event of legal actions. If you don't make it easy for them they will go find another target.

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